While I am surprised that Harris has left Wigan,with their involvement in Wales - and while I respect your posts on a number of subjects - I think it difficult to judge anyone against the backdrop at Crusaders,and their owners,during that period.
They may have ended with the wooden spoon but they did start with a 4 points deficit.
As a young coach at the time he demonstrated his strength of character with his willingness to discipline - rlStoryrl

Or you could say that seven players had that little respect for him as a coach they went out on the lash in the lead up to a game.

Good God he's back from the dead. Having been 6 ft under for 12 months he must have missed the departure of Simms & now Noble,

I dont suppose you have bought a ticket this year either Eccles have you?

If you are 'Eccles Star' then I would hate to see the supporting cast.

He'd lost the dressing room, simple as, with players frustrated at complete lack of a game plan.

It may be that he has learned from his time there, and his time with Shaun Wane may have been invaluable, but can you really see him having the strength and gravitas to deal with a rampaging Koukash? I can't help feeling that the coach required at Salford is one who will insist on being in charge, at excluding chairman when required, and that Harris has really just swapped one assistant coaching for another, except the head coach doesn't know much about on-field tactics.

I've no beef with Salford at all, and I really thought you'd be interesting this year, but it does seem like your biggest asset and saviour is also one of your biggest problems.

Slugger I think you are wrong about the loss of the dressing room at Cru. The problem there was that the players were not being [sizepaid[/size on time.

Rugby League players view this as #1 and it has always been the case.

Think we should give Iestyn the time now (12 months max) to show what he can do.

I just hope that this weekend’s shenanigans don’t effect the players in a negative way, we have a huge game on Friday night against Bradford, it’s a must win if we are serious about finishing 8-6. My fear is that the players will again have to get used to new coaching methods and idea’s and it will be like starting all over again. We need stability now, let the players gel, put some structures in place and start winning a few games. No doubt the players were still getting used to each other and Nobles structures so it concerns me that we’re effectively ripping all that up and starting again.

I don’t think Harris is the answer and a combination of player power and Marwan’s impulsiveness’ (if that’s the correct word) seems to be the reason for Nobles departure. Don’t get me wrong I don’t think Noble was the long term answer, but nor do I think Harris is. I give him 10 games and if we’re not looking like making the 8 he’ll be out.

Just as we thought things were looking up as well!! It seems it’s never that straight forward at Salford.

I can see Harris letting Long lose on the backs for this weeks game, as I mentioned on a previous thread I spotted him the other week working with the backs on plays that I doubt Noble would have let them try in a game situation. I can see this Friday things clicking and us rattling up a decent score, if what has been said is true the players who have been up in arms about Noble will I'm sure put that little bit more effort in.

has anyone mentioned which players were up in arms with noble?
Anyone shed any light on who they are?

Someone did say the other 6 senior players have been to the Doc 3 times over Nobles coaching methods. Morley I don't think was involved as he apparently was on Twitter saying how shocked he was.

Of the rest of the squad senior to me means Gleeson, Chase, HH, Smith, Meli, Puletua. Though that is nothing more than me thinking of the most senior players in the squad.

Doubt we'll ever really know but as others have said nothing ever seems to be easy with Salford.

Say what you like about noble but in the cold light of day we spent a shed load of money - take a look at the table 167 points conceded with a -53 difference, he isn't good enough. If we continued in this form for much longer then we would miss play offs IMO. Noble was the wrong choice all along for me, Marwan isn't short of a bob or two so if you are spending that kind of money on the squad - not to mention what he was willing to throw at Tomkins and SBW, then why not get a quality young coach with a decent record to avoid this?

One thing has just struck me and that's Harris and Noble are apparently good friends away from the game so if working with the Doc is an issue I'm pretty certain Harris will already know about it. What I do find as odd is that I'd be willing to bet that Noble had something too do with the approach for Harris in the first place. Looks like he was first going to be assistant. Makes you wonder if the rumoured senior players who were unhappy knew Harris was going to be the assistant and approached the Doc suggesting he would make a better head coach?

Can't quite put my finger on it but I get a feeling there is something no one has mentioned in any of the threads. Would hope for the good of the club, game and if I'm honest Nobles good name that things can be settled amicably behind closed doors.

Reading between the lines, if half your squad repeatedly goes to the owner with concerns, it puts Koukash in a no-win situation. He has a Coach that the players are complaining about, if he ignores their wishes he gets unhappy players under-performing with a helpless Coach. If he straight sacks Noble, he makes himself look even more impatient and gets the alarm bells ringing of any potential replacements. So Koukash decides to do it the most diplomatic way by offering Noble a sideways move to try and make everyone happy. He has to do this sooner rather than later for the sake of the Club and the fans as obviously it couldn't continue the way it was going. Getting a decent and quick replacement is nigh on impossible a quarter of the season in. He opts for Harris as he's coming from the Champions backroom, he's British, and he can start quickly. Understandably, Noble feels put out.

Whether Harris is the long term answer we'll have to see the kind of deal Koukash has agreed. I'm hoping it's to the end of the season then to be reviewed. It'll make Harris hungry to imprint himself as the right choice, and wont make him sit back knowing he's got an easy pay-check for a few seasons. Equally, it allows the Club to part company at the right time and circumstances if it all goes tits-up this season.

The biggest unknown will be how the players react to Harris, but presumably it can't be any worse than their supposed reaction to Noble.

So Iestyn Harris isn’t going to want his own backroom staff?? Salford finalising a deal to keep Sean Long at the club and assistant coaches Andy Hay and Stuart Donlan are still part of the Salford backroom team for how long one wonders
Still think 8 games isn’t enough time and the injuries to key players haven’t helped as I’ve stated before stability is the key to success if results haven’t improved after 16 games is it goodbye Harris. Hope it works out and this isn’t a step backwards not because lm a fan of Harris but because of the loyal supporters who turn out week after week!

trying to tie sean long down to a long term contract to according to vickers www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... red-devils

trying to tie sean long down to a long term contract to according to vickers www1.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... red-devils