You may be right, but it highlights the problem when he is the stand-out player in that position.

It seems harsh to criticise Noble when he hasn't been able to field the team he's assembled for more than 25 minutes his season. But yes whilst we've been unlucky with injuries to key players, Chase and Hock inparticular these can't be used an excuse for the manner in which the team are performing.

Our defence was appalling at times last night, there doesn't seem to be any structure or technique to it. Sometimes we'd have 3 men in a tackle but not one was round the legs and the attacker was making comfortable yards. Our discipline is woeful, penalties after penalties. However it's our attack that's worse for me. Likewise as in defence, no structure, nobody seems to know what's happening next and I lost count how many times we either played the ball on the last and nobody knew what to do with it or it was given to a player stood still not expecting the ball.

Individuals are letting Noble, Koukash and the fans down. Tim Smith is obviously going to come in for the main amount of criticism, last night was dreadful from him. He honestly looked like he couldn't be ar*ed. His kicking game was one of the worst displays I've seen for a long time. Hopefully Longy can address it. Tommy Lee has been ok, but he is never an 80 minute hooker. Far too one dimensional and looks as though he'd rather be playing scrum half. We need an lively interchange hooker who is going to attack the opposition around the ruck area.

One critique I do have of Noble last night was his strategy. Why put Gleeson on the bench? Why put Walne on and not use him until midway into the second half? Morley played far to many minutes for me too. Some strange choices for certain.

That Warrington team were there for the taking, no doubt about it. However we made them look much better due to the easy yards we gifted through silly penalties or unforced errors.

Unfortunately I took quite a few of my business colleagues last night and performances like that will do nothing for the "Red Devilution". A defeat against Cas and all the positivity created in the off season will be close to running out.

Lee made 46 tackles last night - more than anyone else.Don't quite know what else he can do in the 80 mins.he is on the field.
Not once,since the head coach arrived,has there been any change noticeable in the second 40 mins after the first half has shown up whatever problems there may be.
Again a bomb was allowed to bounce.Again a restart was given back to the opposition after they kicked to our right - the other time at London and it may have happened elsewhere.Again far too many penalties conceded.No cohesion,no attacking flair.No defensive structure.
On the 2 occasions the loan player from Wigan got his hands on the ball in the opposition 20 he scored.He seemed to gel more with his centre than the rest of the squad who went off to South Africa.

Warrington were far improved on the pre-season performance.Salford were not.

Well as Talent Spotter intimates I only moan when we lose so I guess I will be on here for a bit..................until we see Noble moved upstairs or see a drastic change of plan.

He is still living in the 60s - I saw him play and he had one move and that was a dart from dummy half. At least he has instilled an improvement there as we now see a pass from dummy half to another man driving in.

Gone are the days when he had a pack with such as Joe Vagana and Brian McDermott to bully the opposition as that is his way of playing. He must - in my view - stay within the club - but off the training ground.

When Marwan envisaged a big turn out from the City he had to conjure up a team playing expansive exciting Rugby which will draw the `floaters` in. As John Gilbert says - they want to be entertained but our stuff without Rangi is just turgid, dreary and downright boring.

No doubt much to Bonita Reds chagrin we need to see Longy have some influence on the attack and as we have more coaches than Shearings maybe the others can concentrate on defence.

Awful display, looked clueless and uninterested most of the time, line flat no one wanted the ball, one man rugby was like watching Salford of old.
Tasi was the stand out for me never takes a step back and only 23.
How was Sau ever a NZ representative.
Lacking a leader and organisation, cannot seeing us winning a game now for the next 4 weeks atleast, i really feel for the Doc because we all know how fickle Salford fans are.
I know it's only 5 games in but we lack strength in depth, good teams get in jury's to key players and still go on to win games.
Can see some big changes happening and new faces coming in, if we don't watch we're going to get stuck in the bottom half and face the split.

it doesn't sound like you had much to cheer about but how did Dom Manfredi play?

I will give it 2-3 weeks to see if Noble is capable of turning things around. His win/loss ratio since he's been at the club has been the worst in SL. I can't believe we have spent an absolute fortune and didn't have the foresight to bring in a decent goal kicker. Beginning to wonder how big a mistake it could be not bringing in Brian Smith.

Is Noble a good coach or is he making a living from inheriting an outstanding Bulls team?

To be fair to Mullaney, all three kicks were from the touchline and were in swirling wind. The first one looked like it was accurate enough but just didn't have enough on it. It's the attacking play that's more of a worry. Doesn't matter who's kicking if we're not scoring tries, which we've rarely looked like doing in all but one game so far this season.

Thanks for the name check !
No chagrin.
I agree with you

Mullaney is an average kicker at best and will cost us some closer games this year. As for the touch line and the wind, my money would have been on Danny Tickle nailing two of the three.

Point taken on the tries but bring in 14 new players and to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds extra and not bring in a proper goal kicker is beyond comprehension and it's indefensible. A top goal kicker should have been one of the highest priorities.

We've got one of the best goal kickers in the league, he's just winning games for Cas at the moment instead.

Is he allowed to play against us next weekend? You'd certainly hope that we have loaned him out with a caviat that he isn't.

None of you can see the woods for the trees.

It ain't the fault of the coach and it ain't the fault of the players.

Its the fault of not having a youth structure like the big established clubs have.

This youth depth didn't come over night. ..its took years of scouting and nurturing.

Salford haven't a chance of reaching heights like that until a youth structure matures and that will take 3 seasons at the minimum and realistically 5 seasons or more.

Salford are already playing loaners....that's all the evidence you need to see that the depth of youth structure isn't there.

Warrington was always going to beat Salford, all that was needed was to look at the injury casualties and then look at the strength of the bench.

To keep the scores under 20 point spread was a good result IMO.

Warrington to 40 years to get back up to the heights of supremacy.
I have real surprise the expectations of Salford doing it in 4 games!?

he's available next week.... not worried are ya

I've never been a fan of Noble since he packed in with GB - his methods seem a little outdated these days. I think it's early days still and success doesn't just happen, you might need to wait 2/3 years before you see any real progression.

Hearing things from Clarke like "Salford will win the league" just doesn't help IMO. It delludes any casual fans and puts the team under pressure from the get-go.

I'm sure you Saflord fans realise that top 8 is the aim this year, and it's about gradually improving from then on

I don't buy that, our academy have been right up there in recent years with several youth internationals. Furthermore in the past when the decent youngsters break through the vultures have just come along and taken them.

To say recent results has nothing to do the coaches or players and to pin all the blame on the youth policy is absolutely ridiculous. And what about Marc Sneyd? We bring through a great young player and we loan him to Cas!! And let's not forget Jon Ford our England International academy centre on loan at Sheffield. And what about Evalds? Played 2 games last year and scored tries and we haven't played him since.