A bit worrying for the critics of last years scapegoat Stu Howarth and this years scapegoats Foran and Mauro,that we can perform so badly when they weren't playing.
The whole club needs a full,slow,careful observation and the correct people and procedures put in place on and off the field.
I was hugely embarrassed and annoyed not to have been made aware of young players holding a bucket collection before the game,outside the stadium,and so didn't take any money to be able to assist.
I would like to see some improvements in a second half display whether in a position to recover in the game or if the game is totally beyond retrieval,but I ain't seen it yet.
I could be wrong,but I seem to recall the home victory over Hull KR was the last time we won a second half.

I agree pal. The 1st half I thought we were pretty good and our kicking game was excellent ( kicking the ball and having it stop on their try line/in goal area gave us good advantage , although our chase up the field after a kick was pretty average and needs improving). I don't understand what happens at the 50 minute mark of the game though. Its almost like a total switch off. Its a kind of " I cant be d with this any more " attitude , which has gone on all season. The no pre season comments cannot be used now as we are coming towards the end of June , so fitness levels should be good. I also don't think its a mentality toughness thing , just purely an attitude of people not caring to try their best for the club.

After the Wakefield game , that was the time to start the clear out of who will not be here next season and they shouldn't be involved with the club anymore. I'm sure Alan Hunte will have an abundance of young players who will play with much more pride than most of the team at present. Now is the time to try them out and give them the experience needed. All the super stars in super-league had to make a debut at some point ( although in better circumstances) but they cant do any worse than the crap on display at present.

also throughout the game , we are constantly substituting key areas such as hooker and loose forward. Surely this is no good for game plans/strategies ? Why not give young Owen a few full 80 minute games and see how he goes. Give Gaskel a run out in his stand off position and bring in Evalds at full back ( its not rocket science). Could Sneyd play at loose forward ?? I'm sorry but Wilde is no more than a 2nd rower to me.

I thought we did well in the first half tonight, but again the wheels fell off.Gaskels kicking was the highlight.
Can someone explain to me the definitive rules about interchanges?. Does the player have to have left the field of play before his substitute can set foot on the field? If so , Saints were guilty of having 15 players on the pitch !!
In the 32nd minute of the first half, two Saints subs ran on as two Saints players were ambling off to the sidelines.
I think this rule needs clearing up to save any disputes in the future.....

The kicking from hand was as good as I've seen from a Salford team at the new stadium, the kick chase last night didn't do the kicking justice.

There is deinately an issue with our tackling technique as time and again last night we allowed the Saints player to fall forward and get a much quicker play the ball than we managed.

Sorry but for Noble to commit to print saying how good a player Evalds is and then not even have him on the bench only to play a stand off/centre play full back baffled me. There is nothing now to play for except pride and blooding a player like Evalds who didn't let himself or the team down when he got his chance early on in the season would be ideal, also McGoldrick needs to learn how to carry bottles as for me that should be the sum total of his contribution until the end of the season, get Owen involved and release McGoldrick at the end of the year.

Must have been a hell of a half time team talk from Nobby this week - really turned things around
6 - 14 in the first half, 4 - 38 in the second..... mmmm?

I cannot wait for this season to finish, no matter how loyal I am as a supporter I am not sure I can take much more.

Perhaps he ran out of water bottles.!!

Good 50 mins, but we faded pretty quickly after those first 2 saints tries in the second half. Almost like we had conceded the game at that point, so what happened next our players didn't care about. I was pretty happy until 50 mins. Very disheartened with what came after...

Without exaggerating I thought the first 40 minutes were the best of the season so far. I was really impressed with our defence and kicking game, we even looked expansive with the ball in hand at times too.

The second half was like a different team and we threw away all that excellent hard work with an embarrassing second 40. I don't know whether it was lack of fitness or not but I can't understand how you manage to come out so differently.

I seen enough to suggest that Nobby will get it right though.

#mindgames

I wanted Brian Smith or Daryll Powell as coach and anything that has happened since Noble has arrived has not made me feel any differerent. Hope he proves me wrong next year but for all his reputation and standing in the game, he still couldn't convince Whitehead the future is bright!

Maybe Whitehead didn't fancy the competition for places on hearing the names of the squad for 2014

Firstly one off the worst St Helens sides I have seen in sixty years.All good sides I have seen in that time have had a good lose forward and two good half backs,that's where we should be starting from next season,two good half backs.