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[quote="Gotcha":y7izhg01]Salford won't win Super League in my lifetime. Even saying in jest they would sounds stupid.[/quote:y7izhg01]: |
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| Quote: Bonita Red "Perhaps,but lets not devalue what constitutes a real legend,either'"
I whole heartidly agree, but for anyone to suggest Alker doesnt constitute the label as a Salford legend because he did not contribute to any major success (ala Watkins, Gill, Fielding, Charlton etc) is ridiculous.
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| Quote: John Gilbert Reds "I whole heartidly agree, but for anyone to suggest Alker doesnt constitute the label as a Salford legend because he did not contribute to any major success (ala Watkins, Gill, Fielding, Charlton etc) is ridiculous.'"
OK,but to suggest he qualifies as a legend notwithstanding Jacksonville and his book , is a stretch.
Anyway,as I said earlier,it appears to be done now so lets just accept and support it
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| Rock on Bonita. If we put past players in a Hall of Fame then youngsters will look up to them. Consequently players who behave in a questionable manner should NOT be lauded. I also feel, as already stated, that we should look back in the first instance and then consider recently retired players. PLEASE read Graham Morris' book 100 Salford Greats( available from the cheap book shop in Preston for 99p) before making any decisions. As a supporter for almost 58 years there are many more appropriate for the Hall of Fame than Malcolm Alker!!!!! I would be very disappointed if a decision has already been made.
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| as a fan of over 44 years, Alker is not in the legends league
most of 74 & 76 team are
the great legends of the 30's team
plus players of 60's, 80's and 90's
Peter Smithurst
Steve Gibson
Paul Forber
Mark Lee
just a few real Salford players
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| Sadly, unless we have a hundred legends the four mentioned are not. Pleade consider Jimmy Lomas, Jack Feetham, Gus Risman, Harold Osbaldestin, Maurice Richards( best winger I have ever seen ) and of course the man who changed everything for the club in the 60s/70s David Watkins.
BEFORE any decisions are be made the qualifying criteria should be established. We cannot be seen to favour ANY era nor canvassq for our favourites. PLEASE LET US BE OBJECTIVE IN THE SELECTION.
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| Quote: John Gilbert Reds "I whole heartidly agree, but for anyone to suggest Alker doesnt constitute the label as a Salford legend because he did not contribute to any major success (ala Watkins, Gill, Fielding, Charlton etc) is ridiculous.'"
If the club was recognising loyal clubmen who gave good service over several years I wouldn't have a problem with it but we are discussing "Hall of Fame" here. And just because we haven't had any genuine candidates in the past 40 years shouldn't mean we just award it wrongly to some fans favourites that are still fresh in the mind.
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| Quote: Bonita Red "So,in conclusion ,if the good Doctor or his acolytes read this forum then you've already decided on Alker and so be it.
But,please now concentrate on genuine greats ,to start with , and they must come from the era when we were successful rather than recent fans favourites.
And find Ken Gill !'"
B/Red, I have wrote to Ken Gill on a couple of occasions without any success of a reply to try & get him to visit. Will possibly try again but don't hold your breath.
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[quote="Gotcha":y7izhg01]Salford won't win Super League in my lifetime. Even saying in jest they would sounds stupid.[/quote:y7izhg01]: |
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| Quote: theredshed "If the club was recognising loyal clubmen who gave good service over several years I wouldn't have a problem with it but we are discussing "Hall of Fame" here. And just because we haven't had any genuine candidates in the past 40 years shouldn't mean we just award it wrongly to some fans favourites that are still fresh in the mind.'"
It would be interesting to know what you and others think constitutes the criteria to be nominated/inducted into the hall of fame? For me Alker was easily and consistently our best player for over 10 years (granted in some of the worst teams in the clubs history), racking up numerous personal awards as well as achieving county and international caps. He was offered numerous contracts from other Super League and NRL clubs (due to the level of his performances might I add) but remained with Salford.
Risman, Watkins, Gill etc all deserve to be in the and will undoubtedly be inducted but for me Malc deserves his place too.
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| If Alker is in there then Stuart Littler should be also
Sorry but this is farcical.
A player who writes a book openly critisising the club, drug taker,beats up own team mates, bad influence need I go on.
Someone who can tackle and "gives 100%" is not a Legend.
I know a lot of Salford fans think the sun shines out of Alkers @rse but to make him a Legend
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| The Club have got this totally wrong.Alker is a potential inclusion at some stage but the first is an insult to players who created history at the Club and not just players coaches or even owners.It had to be a Risman,a Charlton or someone of that ilk.
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| Wouldn't class Alker as a legend by any stretch of the imagination, but he was the closest thing we've had in the last 10 years. The votes were made on facebook where a lot of a new fans post, so for that reason it's understandable why he's been voted. I liked alker when he played for us don't get me wrong, but people go a little over the top about him. Certain fans cream themselves as soon as his name is mentioned!!!
This hall of fame thing should be put out to all Salford fans, just getting the votes from facebook isn't a true reflection of club legends!
Thats meant as no disrespect to the work the club do on facebook or indeed the people who voted Alker, but I'll put my house on it no one who's watched Salford for more than 25 years or knows about the history of the club would have voted him in.
Anyway I'll still support it tomorrow.
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[quote="Gotcha":y7izhg01]Salford won't win Super League in my lifetime. Even saying in jest they would sounds stupid.[/quote:y7izhg01]: |
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| Agreed Ave It! I certainly wasn't around in the Risman or Watkins era but knowing my history of the club I'm obviously aware of the immense contribution both made to our club.
As you say with Alker it could be that for a specific generation he is the closest thing we have had to a Salford legend.
I also don't think you can criticise him for slagging the club in his book, Koukash has done the same thing but has been lauded for it? The club has been a joke for the last 15 years!
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| Quote: Ave It! "........ The votes were made on facebook where a lot of a new fans post, so for that reason it's understandable why he's been voted. .......'"
Now there's a perfect example of why apparent democracy just doesn't work, by putting something like this out to Facebook it has automatically defined the constituency of voters and just like all those wretched "100 best of ...." shows on TV merely delivered a result from the youngest participents who, through no fault of their own, don't know anything else!
Quote: Ave It! ".....I also don't think you can criticise him for slagging the club in his book, Koukash has done the same thing but has been lauded for it? The club has been a joke for the last 15 years!'"
Have you actually read the book?
I think Dr K's critisicism is realistic and fair, Alker's is at best a one-sided view.
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[quote="Gotcha":y7izhg01]Salford won't win Super League in my lifetime. Even saying in jest they would sounds stupid.[/quote:y7izhg01]: |
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| I have indeed and I felt it was mostly honest and frank and tied into various other accounts past players have discussed with me. Although don't get me wrong their was definitely some degree of sour grapes given the timing and messy nature of his sacking.
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| Quote: John Gilbert Reds "I have indeed and I felt it was mostly honest and frank and tied into various other accounts past players have discussed with me. Although don't get me wrong their was definitely some degree of sour grapes given the timing and messy nature of his sacking.'"
No offence but are you Malcolm's dad??
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