One of the reasons I try not respond on this board is because of the dinosaurs! We know we have one of the lowest salary caps, we know it not going to get much better in the short term, maybe even longer. I for one think we have improved this season with no money & a small squad.
We have had 4 years before this season when I came away from watching Salford trying to remember if we had actually played rugby.
This season we have entertained in parts & yes we lack in the forwards & yes we lack in defence but for god sake give the coaching staff & player some credit & respect for a great win yesterday.
WELL DONE TO THE PLAYERS & COACHING STAFF! You made my day complete! If we reach 20 points I will consider this season a success & before the doom mongers, hindsight brigade come out I would like a fresh board with plenty of money to spend, well done to the Salford fans yesterday really got behind the team.

Mr Inferno, when you're not spitting out the vitriol you talk much sense.
I enjoyed the game at The Emptyhead, best entertainment of the day - probably not one for the RL purist, but for excitement and nail biting definitely a cracker.
What seemed apparent to me was team spirit and commitment to the cause - we never gave up and got our reward on the day.
But DI you are right, the table doesn't lie, we are where we are because of the performances delivered - what's needed is more like the Huddersfield game and fewer like HKR or Wakefield.

We won a game against a top four side.


We are on 10th spot due to our previous losses.

If we play well in the next few games and lose, that happens to other teams.

Huddersfield didn't win it in the last few seconds we did.

Huddersfield didn't score with every attack, they were pressurized into bad plays on several occasions.

I thought that our defence looked good at times, and not so good on other occasions and this needs more work by the coaches and players alike.

Is this the change that every single person connected with Salford realises needs to happen (and I mean everybody) but is never forthcoming year after year?

It obviously helps your mental state so feel free to keep pointing that finger DI but realise the situation could get a hell of a lot worse. Maybe the board should grant you and others your wishes by cutting their losses and withdrawing their guarantees. How does playing our home games at Sedgley Park in NL2 in front of about 300 spectators grab you? Now that would give you and your mates something to come on here and whinge about wouldn't it?

Why can't you just be realistic and accept that unless someone wants to come in and throw some real serious money at it, the club will never live upto your very high expectations.

Is this the change that every single person connected with Salford realises needs to happen (and I mean everybody) but is never forthcoming year after year?

It obviously helps your mental state so feel free to keep pointing that finger DI but realise the situation could get a hell of a lot worse. Maybe the board should grant you and others your wishes by cutting their losses and withdrawing their guarantees. How does playing our home games at Sedgley Park in NL2 in front of about 300 spectators grab you? Now that would give you and your mates something to come on here and whinge about wouldn't it?

Why can't you just be realistic and accept that unless someone wants to come in and throw some real serious money at it, the club will never live upto your very high expectations.

Excellent post and I think sums things up perfectly.

While we don't have the free spending owner we would like, it is possible to fall into the second category of a club well run on limited resources. While we have the limited resources and seem to have managed the balance sheet adequately in terms of incomings and outgoings (as far as we can publicly tell) it is clear we are not maximising the resources and opportunities we have.

From the micro to the macro everyone on this forum could list ways in which the club's performance falls below a satisfactory level spanning back decades. The most recent stark example of this being the revelations in Alker's book. I haven't read it but people assure me the club come across as somewhat less than professional in terms of all the antics that were going on and their inability or unwillingness to take the necessary measures to prevent it. Andy Wilson described us as operating like a 'rogue club' in regards to everything that was happening during this period.

Most Salford fans will also hear horror stories that emerge from back channels out of the club that make you shiver that a supposed professional sports club can act in such a way. When the club do get exposed for being incompetent they just roll out the weak 'The buck stops with someone else' excuse and attempt to remove themselves from blame.

We can't expect to generate the extra income we need to develop a better team if we continue to operate in such a way, with poor systems and procedures, no accountability and no fresh ideas anywhere in the club.

There is no point fans with differing views attempting to point score off each other on here everytime we get a certain result. Sunday was an excellent performance and very enjoyable but it was the first win since March, hardly a resounding affirmation of the current management. If we improve towards the end of the season and secure a play off position then I would support offering PV a new contract. If the season peters out with long periods without a win and disheartening displays then I won't. Like Keynes said when the facts change I change my mind. Some people on this forum seem to have a great loyalty towards people simply doing a job as if they personally know them as friends. My loyalty is to Salford RLFC and that's all I'm bothered about, we shouldn't view individual people as if they are an extension of the club, especially if they are not upto the job.

Nor should we, with very little understanding of what people's jobs entail (aside from a pre-disposed notion gained from agenda-holding contributors of a web forum), suggest who is and isn't capable.

My 'agenda' is the improvement of Salford RLFC, not sure how that differs from eveyone else on here. The whole point of a forum and being a supporter is to pass opinions on who is and isn't upto a job based on the evidence in front of you.

Example: Alker running amok on drink and drugs as revealed in his own book would be evidence that someone in a supervisory role above him failed.

If you read the book (I have ... twice), then you'll realise he's pointing several fingers at the ethos in Rugby League of hard drinking, the constant use of pain-killers (and peer pressure for muscle drugs) and the use of recreational drugs on occasion.
It's not only at Salford bur rife ... a matter he points out more than once.

Re dinosaurs and Cro-Magnon men etc.,
it makes no difference. If we do not find a new funding stream soon, with Mr Wilkinson's current age and situation (and I hope he lives healthily into his hundreds), we might face a critical situation soon.
I hope we never sit around reminiscing like Oldham, Featherstone, Halifax, Leigh, or Keighley.

When supported with evidence, sure. It's the "[iwhat does X even do? Sack him!![/i" reactionists I was eluding to.

Agree with this. Some of the excuses trotted out on the facebook page for certain failings are quite remarkable. Am hoping the new junior reds scheme will be a run correctly rather than being quietly kicked into touch in a couple of months times.

They can only quietly kick it into touch if we as fans dont back it, just like Neville we ask for a devil we get a devil now the club have starting brightly by using him for photo opportunities us fans should be sharing it on our social media so everybody knows he and we exist and are moving in a different direction.
IF NEVILLE AND THE JUNIOR DEVILS GET QUIETLY KICKED INTO TOUCH BY PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR QUICK FIXES WHICH THE SCHEME AND NEVELLE ARNT WE ONLY HAVE OURSELVES TO BLAME, we the fans make stuff popular at the end of the day they cant stop somthing that is a success.

I Do agree with Walshy a bit Salford City Reds RLFC is my main concern but being friends with people who have an effect is a positive thing as a fans we expect / want promotion of our club, Growth of our support and an increase in revenue and if an idea is hatched and passed on and tinkered with then produced by the club then its fair game for me.

At the end of the day we are run on a shoe string, the people who have the honour of working in the club work reaily hard but unfortunatley in my opion are let down by lack of funding both on projects and man power when you compair it to other superleague clubs who have 2 or 3 times as many people working within it this allows you to get the small things right as the work load is shared around more evenly.

Ive said it before with the wages saved by lets say Luke pattern retiring id be happier if the club used the money to employ 5 or 6 more people to bump up the clubs administation side and iron out the problems with communication, marketing, retail and promotion as i feel how the club functions off the field and its relationship with current fans / potential fans / potential investors in this modern day is probably as important as what goes on the field.

So reaily the club looks out for further investment, us fans get behind Forever Reds and try and mobalise like 2003, promote the positives from the club as much as me can and hopefully sooner rather than later with a bit of luck our efforts will be rewarded with a higher profile and more money from a new investor to spend on better players .