Change things when he doesnt want to be there and isnt present at training - no there not the lazy players you refer to - they wernt slagging him off just telling me how he's been acting and what he's been doing since he got back.

Why is everybody so misguided - that MP is the man to turn us around ! I'm not saying he cant but everyone bases there oppinion on the fact that he has "balls" and "speaks the truth" because he came out and annilhated the club from top to bottom ? his exact words when he'd finished slating the club were "Salford want me to do a Job..and I want to do a job..but those jobs are 2 completely different thing"

Players have told me he's annoyed he now has to make a go of the players he has not the players he wanted to bring in.. when he was told he would be able to change the squad completely. ! again i'm not saying thats right but thats what's happening.

Some genuine, level headed players basically think he's 3 sheets to the wind, has poor man management and general wild behaviour. How are we going to build a good team when the vast majority of players feel this way?

I'm not saying dont back the coach but people need to open there eye's theres allot going on behind closed doors that people dont realise.

Felt like this for the last couple of seasons now, must admit I would like more than anything for the team to prove us doubters wrong, but I really think this season could be an embarrassing one on the field. The squad is much weaker than last year and all this talk of unrest off the field can't be good.

The views they gave were that he's not respected amoung the players and the other main problem which is he's upset those above him, once again i'm not saying that what he came out and said was wrong or right, but it certainly hasnt gone unoticed and is being delt with, accordingly if he doesnt want to be there this will suit both parties.

I'm sure him leaving will suit the board more than him. He came in and voiced off apparently on promises that the club had made to him that were it seems unfounded and untrue. It seems to me the. Club are reaping the rewards of their own inadequate attempts to run a SL club. I'm sure it would be easier to bring in another McRae type who will play the game , keep quiet and go through the motions.

I believe that MP has then potential to be a game changer for the club. If the board refuse to back him and help him then they can shove my season pass up their ass, 'cos I won't be getting another after this season.

and I suppose if they back him and he doesnt hit reasonable performance targets then he's to balme? Or would it still be the club to blame for dangling him a carrot all that time ago ? The club cant win either way, MP wont look bad either way, thats why I think he came in so early an slated the club so publically. If he goes, he's made the reasons's why he's leaving clear and who can blame him... If he stays, and doesnt hit reasonable target's who can blame him because he was mislead.

As Ive said the players ive spoken to have made it clear he's unhappy, and doesnt want to be there, and we can all say (with a degree of hohnesty) who can blame him, he has a meeting with the board who are also unhappy...

So much drama but the board are largely to blame for this mess, Salford wont attract a decent established coach until things drastically change. Other wise its unknown - unproven - Shaun Mcrae types...

What a suprise Salford players moaning about the coach! Grow a set of fu*cking balls and deal with it. No matter who we have as coach they always seem to moan. Maybe Matt is making them train harder than what they what they'd like....

If these players are pi$$ed off then let them go.
If the coach is also pi$$ed off then again let him go.
As a certain Manager once said "players and coaches come and go but the club and what it stands for is always there"

Blue seats rumours of pi$$ed off players coaches and fans and the season has not even started.
It had better be Hollands pies at the ground and Strongbow on sale or thats it I am not going to set foot in the place.
The joys of being a Salford fan.

O and nice to see Joel Moon & McPherson have both got their visa's and are bonding well with the "team"

I think many of us have felt like this at some point... and I can speak from personal experience... especially being seen as one of the most negative people on here in recent times... However... what keeps me going is that like you, I have grown up with this club and it just won't go away. I can feel lower than low at some times, but I'm not sure whether it's the underdog in me or being one of a great bunch of supporters that keeps me going. I love being a Salford fan... because of who we are, and what we go through. I love that hope that one day we may have our day... Not sure when it will be and how much patience I have, but 25+ years of hoping makes it hard to turn away. I compare it to the guy who stands waiting for a bus for an hour... knowing he could have walked it in that time... but scared of moving because as soon as he does... the bus will come... so deciding to wait... no matter how long it takes.

The problem is... the negativity always comes back... whether it be during the season due to poor performances, or in the off season due to what seems like a host of incompetencies from the way they go about things.

If we were all to sit and write lists of positives and negatives about the club... and be totally honest... I can bet every one of us would have a list of negatives that is longer than the positives... but something keeps us coming back for more. Maybe we all just enjoy a moan.

The off season can create some downtime. We don't hear a lot from the club, and what we do hear a lot of the time makes us feel worse. A lot of rumours...a lot of truth... but not much ever has us jumping to the skies. There doesn't seem to be a lot of invention within the club. We are always lacking behind on the playing side, and seem very much lacking off the field.

We have a lot of people set in their ways at the club and the club could do with some fresh blood. There are people working there who do actually care... but are never quite given that chance to shine.

The list is endless as to things that can make you want to walk away... Every year we are behind with the kits. We have a new membership... We've managed to mess that up too. What seems like good deals has been over-complicated. The Website... All agree that this could be better. Get the fans to write articles in the off-season. We need somebody to use their imagination at the club. There is no reason why we couldn't have something new every other day. The team... average signings and all feel like it's going to be another one of those years when we look at how everybody else is shaping up.

Now... we are in a position where it seems that the guy who we all had a belief in... may not be the right man for the job. If the players aren't happy... then this all sounds too familiar. We always manage to have a group of players who don't play for the fans or even each other... they do it for themselves... they only care about number one. I'm never one for players kissing the badge on the shirt... but how I crave to see one do it at Salford and mean it. The coach wants to do it his way... and it seems the club won't let him. Too set in their ways... hence the reason we need some new blood. I know exactly who I'd fire off in a shot... I think we would all get shut of the same people... but it isn't going to happen. MP did want a job in Australia... Cronulla I believe... but it didn't happen. I personally don't see him being here much longer. Somebody has to be accountable for that... and I'm not sure who.

So... to answer the original post....

Same name... Absolutely.

New Stadium... Yes.

Different Club... Not a chance. It's exactly the same as it's always been and will continue to be for some time. Players and coaching problems, poor signings, poor organisation, the feeling of always being let down, the list goes on.

So... if you've put up with all this before... you can put up with it for longer... just like the rest of us will. The only thing that has changed is a new ground, and if you can deal with that... then the rest it just the usual Salford RLFC.

I know it's like Chinese water torture... but you walk away and you'll find it harder to come back than you would to leave.

It's Salford... It's our club... it's a pain in the backside... but it's our pain in the backside.

pos a different club in there as well menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... on-stadium

pos a different club in there as well menmedia.co.uk/manchesterevening ... on-stadium

Great post. Thanks mate!

Stole my thunder, couldn't have put it better mate. (but I'm having a go anyway )

This is the first time I've had a grumble on here for a while and over the past 12 months I've gone from one of the clubs fiercest defenders ( and I’ll include the team in that) to a negative pessimist. I've got to admit I'm feeling the same as many on here and those I spoke to on the way and at Wembley last weekend. I don't recall a time when I felt so detached from the club. Many of you know me personally and know of my affiliation with the club but right now it feels like a the breaking up of a relationship with someone you've known for years, that kind of it's more of an effort to meet each other and you both know it's not working.

I have made many sacrifices (including walking out on a job, not that that's the clubs fault) to watch and help the club over many years and it hurts me to feel this way but it's starting to feel like a one way relationship with me doing all the work. OK yes over the years I've become accustomed to the defeats (many of them massive) the embarrassment of talking to friends about how poor they are and then trying to defend them with the "they may be but they're my " argument but I don't want to make that effort anymore as I feel that the club doesn't help itself in any way 90% of the stuff it does is either done wrong, poorly or just never completed. After last seasons "effort" by the whole organisation I feel deflated, let down and very disappointed, the way we celebrated the Willows was a sham, the off field matters we're again embarrassing and on the field weren't much better. Then there's the off season, like has pointed out, no real promotion of the club and the move to Barton, in fact its Sale that's getting most of the exposure, no new interviews with players for the website (if there’s no news, make some), no new merchandise and in fact I don’t even know where it would be sold from in the future.

Barton is the last chance I feel for Salford as a club to make a real go of things and bring back some good times but as it stands I don't feel that's going to be achieved.

And Preston Grasshoppers.

Good posts KOTS, LF & BC. We just have to hope that the penny drops with someone who can do something.