100% spot on someone talking sense at long last. The club is in a mess from top to bottom at the moment. I just don't get how people can sit there year after year defending the club. Big big changes need happen and quick!

We all know how much of a mess the Club is in, it's just that bitching about sacking coaches and booing players after just two matches is a little extreme. Salford fans always used to be there to support the team through thick and thin, rallying the lads even when we were getting trounced. When you support a struggling side these are the things we should take pride in, and the fact that we are nearly always going to be fighting up hill battles it's what should set us apart from the fickle fans of other Clubs.

You can still bitch and moan, and we all do, it's just not particularly constructive to call for the coaches head and boo players just yet.

Anyone expecting us to set the world alight is deluded. It's an unfortunate fact at the moment, but we are the weakest team in SL atm and you shouldn't place your expectations too high.

I actually accept what you are saying about booing them off on Friday and for the record I didn't boo. I also agree the team getting flak was pointless as we all knew before the season they were a patchwork team pieced together at the smallest possible expenditure and were bound to get flogged most weeks.

The point I am getting at is no one seems able to look at why we had this awful team on the park in the first place. The fact we have practically no chance of getting a franchise next time around. The fact we seem to be in permanent decline. The fact John Wilkinson's chairmanship has been pretty much a constant disaster for 29 years. The fact that other teams have moved forward and we seem to be happy to be slowly dying. I would even say McRae deserves more slack this year as the team he has to work with is terrible.

I don't want to be tarred with leading some lynch mob as I'm not. My post was more about people's support being questioned and people sticking their heads in the sand in regards to our current state. I agree about taking pride in supporting Salford whatever state we are in but I think this misty eyed view of getting behind the lads even when we were getting thrashed in years gone by is abit far fetched.

As someone who has openly stated elsewhere on here that I have stopped watching Salford this season, I expect plenty of abuse from the 'top reds' out there but I still see this as a supporters forum and I have the right to speak as a lover of what the club meant to me. It has been a quite horrendous decision to make; to stop watching Salford (Home and Away) after 40 odd years but I can not watch the club squirm and die in front of me. The club is imploding and I can't watch it any more. I have been stood by the radio for the opening games and the situation is truly impossible and largely indefensible. As Red Willow rightly alludes; the whole Family Membership was the final straw for me (and clearly many others). The principle of being a paying member of something, with little in terms of selling points other than my own blind loyalty to a poor team, was a personal insult, after not being required to be a Family Member all my previous years. Mr McRae can not improve on what we have because it isn't good enough so we will struggle to ever sell it. I can't, realistically, see how Salford can be given a further Franchise given the mania for expansion. I feel grim making the decision not to watch the death throes but feel, like many others, that is what is happening. The writing has been on the wall for the past 2-3 years at least. The once, threatening fervour of the Shed is a broken, puzzled, desperate place where nobody quite knows what to do or what is expected. The players for so long now, don't seem to have any link with the Shed and at times don't seem interested. I don't know if that is the Management or the Coaching but I can't watch it any more - it's no longer enjoyable. I reached the stage last season where I realised I was almost dreading the next game. To pretend that getting hammered by Crusaders at home is anything but disasterous is delusional. Even blind loyalty to the cause has its breaking point, believe me...



* Cue the abuse.

I can understand your concerns, and share many of them, but wonder how many other teams "have moved forward"?

During the SL era Gateshead Thunder, London Broncos, Halifax Blue Sox, Oldham Bears, Paris Saint Germain and Sheffield Eagles have all gone to the wall, while other clubs like Leigh, Widnes, Keighley, Bradford, Workington, Hull, etc. are arguably in a worse position now than they were at the inception of Super League.

Considering the poor attendances (even when we've been playing well) it's a testiment to JAW that we still have a club to support. I know we have one of the weakest squads in SL but that's because we're one of the poorest clubs (both in terms of finances and quality).

How do we change this?
- spend big on players you can't afford and end up in the financial strife that HKR are in?
- get a new sugar daddy (a la Wire, Hudds, etc) - it's not like JAW hasn't offered to step aside but he hasn't exactly been trampled on in the rush?!
- build a new stadium (a la Wire, Hull, etc) - that's the route the club have taken (quite rightly IMHO) and, although it's not been a smooth ride, I think it's fair to say JAW has put his all into making his dream a reality. Whether it proves to be the saviour of the club is still to be seen, but at least he'll be able to say he did everything he tried.

In the meantime, IMHO, fans should do all they can to support the club and especially the team, whilst accepting that we're going to be at the wrong end of the division (see Barnsley fans in their one-year visit to the Premiership).

I chose not to boo the players. I prefered to applaud the Crusaders players and recognise they had done a job on us. We were poor, and they just took advantage. As much as I was annoyed by what some players had said to me in the off season... to all intense and purposes... this was a pretty new side who will take time to gel. The buck for this kind of defeat has to stop with the coach who made some poor judgements and little tactical changes to affect the possibilities of a result in our favour.

The club have made some poor decisions recently and does look like a very amateur setup in so many areas... but I tell you what... I think this will change in time. Maybe not overnight and very soon... but over time it will. McRae isn't going anywhere soon unless he resigns.... and it doesn't look like he's going to do that unless he gets the England job that he's applied for... The club won't be able to pay him off so we have him for 2 more years. In that time... we WILL be building a new stadium... and I bet a pound to a penny that McRae won't be the head coach when we move in there. So maybe we just have to be patient. We can't get relegated... we are more than likely going to have some god awful performances over the next 2 years... but lets just get this out of the way... get the stadium built... and go into 2012 with a new ground, a new coach, and probably a better team. If this ground gets built I find it hard to believe we won't get a franchise. I'd much rather be in this position now that £3.5 million in debt like Hull KR.

Short term pain.... long term gain.

I'm not happy with what I saw on Friday, but a bit of time thinking about it has done me the world of good.

I quite literally pains me to say it, and I don't ever remember agreeing with you before (nor do I plan to do so again any time in the future) but that's actually a really, really good post.

For the record i've not said the club are beyond reproach, what i'm getting at is that if you (or anyone who did actually boo) think that is helping matters then your sadley mistaken.

In the original post i wasnt in anyway suggesting that i am happy with the 'state' of the club at the minute i was pretty much slating the people that booed on friday! I would like to see salford making vast improvements on last season but if were all honest the playing squad just doesnt look capable of winning many more games than we did last year so that comment wasnt bollox at all... And just because a 'supporter' goes home and away without missing a game doesnt mean to say they are true fans the reason we are called supporters is because thats what we're supposed to do... SUPPORT! i have respect for anyone that are regulars both home and away just for the record. Yes the performance was far from acceptable but as i had said... Silence would of been far more better. So were in the crap, the fans are split massively, adam left the club months ago, without doing nothing, the franchise decisions will be round in the not too distant future and i will agree that we need a miracle.

Walshovski has stated that burying your head in the sand doesn't help either! FWIW booing and chanting disgruntled comments has helped immediate matters in the past, fan power can remove a coach/manager/TV pundit from his post, Ashcroft (twice), Harvey, Gregory (ish), Jack and Harrison all got it and went. Wilko hears and feels the pain of the shed and tries his best for us. Beleive you me those boo's have not fallen on death ears. Good job some people are prepared to state the bl00dy obvious for mine.

Some people on here will be delighted with championship football forever, thats the impression I get!? Sit on your ar$es if you like!

I'm in the same boat as you on that one mate.



I 100% agree with that and that is exactly how I feel as well, couldn't have put it better.

This Friday was the first home game I've missed in lord alone knows how long and I can honestly say I didn't miss it. That alone upsets me

You've named five coaches the boo-boys have got rid of.And what's been the end result? McCrae. Who you now want to get rid of.To be replaced by who? Some other mug who'll get the "treatment" a couple of years down the line.
I've said it before and I'll say it again,until we get more income into the club any coach we have will struggle to recruit decent players.
IMO the biggest disgrace on Friday was an attendance of under 3500.If we do get booted out of Super League it will be mainly due to the apathy of the Salford public over the years.

I hate the boo ing,have NEVER AND WILL NEVER ,boo off the players and like many of you have seen some God awful performances over the years.

This year for the first time,we did not buy season tickets ,apart from my daughter we got the pay as you go .As it turns out a good idea,judging by the performance on Friday.

As has been said before we do not seem to have a plan B .the players bought in off season have experience and do not seem to play as they used to..... why is this ???

If we have a coach who cannot move the team on ,we cannot afford to sack or will not leave,do we get an assistant in and move him aside or hope for the best............................................................

cant see why everyone is moanin

The fans lift the team or the team lift the fans, if both need lifting which is where we are then you get stuck in a spiral which without a massive change will continue.
What makes it worse with our young players this will probably hampen their growth and never probably recover.

Half time 2 points behind if the shed was even half bouncin we'd have kicked on and won it, instead they scored twice (one dodgy forward pass but we'll let that one go as well so thats......... dodgy decitions against 2 dodgy decitions for Nil in two games) and us fans just turned on each other which hurt more than the defeat itself.

Seriously considering not goin to leeds, as its my turn to drive i might go and stay in the pub cant see the point in paying to watch a game when both halfs of the whole believe already we are beaten