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Quote: Red John "I read it as a compliment too.

As regards ridiculing dissenting comments, we don't actually get too much dissenting comment. It would be nice if we did because, personally, I don't mind discussions on the sport with fans of other clubs. Unfortunately, what we get is ill-informed clarts from people who seem incapable of doing even the most basic fact checking, and its that that gets ridiculed. We had a few months of it from Cas fans during the Marc Sneyd saga, and it only really tailed off when he showed his love of Cas by joining Hull. Now we just get the occasional visit from 'newgroundb4wakey', but they just bring to mind a scene from Father Ted where Ted is trying to explain to Dougal the difference between things that happen in his head and things that happen outside in the real world.

We also had a steady flow of similarly ill-informed visits from fans of another club (I forget which one) who seemed to have such a chubby for trying to show that everything Marwan does is wrong that they'd already reached the vinegar strokes before they'd had chance to check what they were saying was actually true. Fortunately, they've tailed off too, although it's a little disappointing to note that some contributors to their forum still can't bring themselves to use the man's correct name, and prefer some asinine variation on it. It demeans us all because it makes us all look as childish as they are. It also stifles any real debate about him, because it's indicative of someone who's already made their mind up. A mind is like a parachute

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Quote: Red John "Yes, the O'Loughlin incident was at least a penalty (not sure it was a red card because I'm not sure it was deliberate) and yes, if it had been Gareth Hock the pitchforks would have been out. It only leads to the 'always the victim' mentality if you're prepared to ignore the things that go our way. We played Leeds when they were without their talismanic captain and leader. If there was really a conspiracy against us, he'd have been given sending off sufficient so he could play against us. We played Wigan after they'd had a four day turnaround compared to our six. The examples are there if you're prepared to see them, and that's why I find the conspiracy theory nonsense to be, well, nonsense.

As for the rest of what you say, I agree (although I'm not sure about top 4

We will have to agree to disagree on the O'loughlin incident. If it had happened at the other end of the pitch after a kick through, I'm sure it would have been a red card and a penalty try. But even a penalty at that stage if the game would have made a huge difference. Instead of which, Wigan scored two tries in the next two sets which killed the game.

As for the future, I think we can both agree that we need some good performances for the rest of this season and at the start of next season to get some momentum going. I'm certainly confident of a top four finish next year with the players we have coming in.

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Quote: Red John "*Snip*'"

As many will have noticed I haven't posted on here for some time for one reason or another, the main reason as pointed out by Red John, due to the amount of numpties that started posting on here mostly from other clubs but even a selection of our own. However, I just have to say John, that was a first class post and the best thing I've read on here in a long time. eusa_clap.gif

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You will get other posters on here for a variety of reasons.... not least because of your giddy numpties at the start of the season going on other boards, talking about a top 8 finish... And after a game against a particular team, you can expect people from that team coming here too... BTW, your team looked absolutely buggered the last 20-25 of the game...

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Quote: Wigan Peer "You will get other posters on here for a variety of reasons.... not least because of your giddy numpties at the start of the season going on other boards, talking about a top 8 finish... And after a game against a particular team, you can expect people from that team coming here too... BTW, your team looked absolutely buggered the last 20-25 of the game...'"

Do you have any links so we can see who those giddy numpties were?

It's true that people from other clubs come on here both shortly before and shortly after we play them. That's to be expected, and it's often pretty reasonable stuff. What we're talking about here is the regular blobs of wipe that get spattered on here from followers of clubs that we aren't playing any time soon or haven't played recently. Fact free streams of consciousness from halfwits who seem desperate to prove that Marwan is the root of all evil and that we're all deluded, and who believe it's something they need to share.

And they did look knackered in the last 20.

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Quote: Red John "Do you have any links so we can see who those giddy numpties were?

It's true that people from other clubs come on here both shortly before and shortly after we play them. That's to be expected, and it's often pretty reasonable stuff. What we're talking about here is the regular blobs of wipe that get spattered on here from followers of clubs that we aren't playing any time soon or haven't played recently. Fact free streams of consciousness from halfwits who seem desperate to prove that Marwan is the root of all evil and that we're all deluded, and who believe it's something they need to share.

And they did look knackered in the last 20.'"


If I recall, the numpties in question don't post much anymore, if at all. REDLEAGUE was one (He had a few guises too). I'd hazard a guess ex-salfordian is another. Others will probably recall better than me.

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Ive just bought a Redjohn Dictionary of Putdowns. Its available on Amazon @ £3.99 post free. A good read.

Re Numpties. I think we should have a Top 10 for the year.

Red League & ex Salfordian would be in the 10, Terry Kelly (Leigh) & Brian Bradys Sidestep I think it was from Wire plus many others no doubt other Forumites may remember.

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Don't forget the Castleford fan who did a passable impression of Perry Mason by telling us Chase wouldn't get a Visa.

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Quote: TheButcher "If I recall, the numpties in question don't post much anymore, if at all. REDLEAGUE was one (He had a few guises too). I'd hazard a guess ex-salfordian is another. Others will probably recall better than me.'"

Well, this is why I was asking. I'm quite prepared to accept that I could be wrong, but my recollection is that people were reasonably well behaved at the start of the season. I think by then Red League had his tail between his legs over the Danny Kirmond thing and wasn't posting much other than to pretend that Mike87 was a completely different person. Also, ex-salfordian is more likely to have predicted that we'd finish bottom and then fold owing billions to orphans than he would a top 4 finish.

As I say, I could be wrong, but I'd be interested to see who the numpties were.

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Quote: Red John "Well, this is why I was asking. I'm quite prepared to accept that I could be wrong, but my recollection is that people were reasonably well behaved at the start of the season. I think by then Red League had his tail between his legs over the Danny Kirmond thing and wasn't posting much other than to pretend that Mike87 was a completely different person. Also, ex-salfordian is more likely to have predicted that we'd finish bottom and then fold owing billions to orphans than he would a top 4 finish.

As I say, I could be wrong, but I'd be interested to see who the numpties were.'"


Funnily enough I've often thought that, apart from Red League and his aliases, there isn't a great deal of evidence of 'Salford fans bigging-themselves up'. At least not on RLFans. Social media is a different animal though. Twitter should be renamed 'Official RL Arseclart Centre' and not just for Salford fans either. I genuinely think that a lot of opposition fans read Twitter and FB, become dumber due to it, then presume to label us all under the numb as a -stone brigade. One glance at MK's twitter feed would be enough for anyone to presume that Castleford is populated with RL fans suffering from 'Marwanism' whereby when you put on a Cas jersey you start foaming at the mouth whenever you see someone with a box-beard, bald head, or someone calls you 'mate' too much. Of course, Castleford has plenty of reasonable and knowledgeable fans too. It's just that social media seems to be a mouthpiece for the idiotic sections of RL. Something that opposition supporters should remember too when coming across our own collection of Salford sub-normals. When grouped together they form a 'Clart' of supporters. (Thanks again for the wonderful term forever immortalised by yourself icon_wink.gif )

You're right with regards to ex-salfordian. His forte is resoundingly in the negative when it comes to the Club so I'm probably doing him a disservice in labeling him in with the dreamers.

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Good post, Red John, but

I doubt football allegiances have anything to do with it. Some people just see themselves/their club as victims regardless. I know a few people who don't even follow football who've acted like that about Salford. I think it's an inevitable part of being down the bottom for years on end. Supporters of all "smaller" clubs start to think that way across all sports. To continue the United analogy, look at the amount of people who've claimed they never get a decision at OT. It's a siege mentality that comes from supporting an unsuccessful club.

Then again, it's also a rugby league supporter trait to think that every official is turd and out to get you. Have a gander at the RL Meltdown account on Twitter...

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Some great posting and some real perspective.

On a positive note I have seen larger numbers of Salford supporters having a pre/après match beer in new West Didsbury (Monton) which is a good thing. I don't know how this visibility has been reflected in your gates, but, there is certainly a little bit of a buzz going on as far as I can make out.

A strong finish this year rather than the season petering out would be good for your club and good for the league we need more strong teams for a better comp

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Quote: GT "Good post, Red John, but

I doubt football allegiances have anything to do with it. Some people just see themselves/their club as victims regardless. I know a few people who don't even follow football who've acted like that about Salford. I think it's an inevitable part of being down the bottom for years on end. Supporters of all "smaller" clubs start to think that way across all sports. To continue the United analogy, look at the amount of people who've claimed they never get a decision at OT. It's a siege mentality that comes from supporting an unsuccessful club.

Then again, it's also a rugby league supporter trait to think that every official is turd and out to get you. Have a gander at the RL Meltdown account on Twitter...'"

I mentioned Untied because I think this was where it changed from being something the more deluded fans did into something that was almost club policy. It seems Alex Ferguson rarely saw United lose a game fairly, but only because of dark forces behind the scenes. Apologists would try to explain it with the anodyne "Fergie's mind games", when the real explanation - the one they never used - was "Ferguson's being a dick again". It makes me wonder if this was a tipping point and why we seem to see the conspiracies more often nowadays.

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Quote: Red John "I mentioned Untied because I think this was where it changed from being something the more deluded fans did into something that was almost club policy. It seems Alex Ferguson rarely saw United lose a game fairly, but only because of dark forces behind the scenes. Apologists would try to explain it with the anodyne "Fergie's mind games", when the real explanation - the one they never used - was "Ferguson's being a dick again". It makes me wonder if this was a tipping point and why we seem to see the conspiracies more often nowadays.'"


It happens across football (Arsene Wenger - "I did not see the incident"icon_wink.gif and sport (often "Salford only won because we were sh*t"icon_wink.gif. It's a modern day symptom of professional sport and the analysis, scrutiny and pressure people are under, not a symptom of supporting a particular club.

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LondonB-Catalans
Thu 8th Aug
SL
20:00
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Fri 9th Aug
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Catalans
SL
20:00
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Sat 10th Aug
SL
15:00
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Sun 11th Aug
SL
15:00
Leigh-Hull FC
SL
15:00
LondonB-Warrington
Sat 17th Aug
SL
19:30
Warrington-Leeds
SL
17:00
Wigan-St.Helens
SL
14:30
Hull FC-LondonB
Sun 18th Aug
SL
13:30
Leigh-Salford
SL
15:00
Catalans-Hull KR
SL
18:30
Huddersfield-Castleford
Fri 23rd Aug
SL
20:00
Castleford-Warrington
SL
20:00
Leeds-Catalans
Thu 1st Aug
SL
LIVE
Castleford10-20Leigh
SL
LIVE
Wigan26-14Huddersfield
NRL
LIVE
Wests30-48NQL Cowboys
Sun 28th Jul
NRL 21 St.George10-46Penrith
NRL 21 Dolphins14-21Gold Coast
NRL 21 Canberra32-12Souths
CH 19 Batley16-22Halifax
CH 19 Doncaster37-30Barrow
CH 19 Sheffield78-24Whitehaven
CH 19 Wakefield46-18Featherstone
CH 19 Widnes25-6Bradford
CH 19 York34-4Swinton
L1 17 Newcastle34-44Cornwall
L1 17 Hunslet24-32Workington
L1 17 Keighley36-12Midlands
L1 17 Rochdale10-14Oldham
Sat 27th Jul
SL 19 Salford30-22Castleford
SL 19 Catalans24-16Hull FC
NRL 21 Brisbane16-41Canterbury
NRL 21 NQL Cowboys30-22Cronulla
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 19 495 258 237 30
Warrington 19 498 245 253 28
Hull KR 19 481 255 226 28
Catalans 19 366 274 92 24
Salford 19 355 366 -11 24
St.Helens 19 455 256 199 22
 
Leeds 19 355 342 13 20
Leigh 19 392 286 106 19
Huddersfield 20 350 453 -103 14
Castleford 20 336 523 -187 13
Hull FC 19 268 566 -298 6
LondonB 19 198 725 -527 2
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
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Widnes 17 410 307 103 21
Bradford 17 397 297 100 21
Doncaster 17 318 410 -92 17
 
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Featherstone 17 440 359 81 16
Batley 17 284 366 -82 16
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Halifax 17 318 459 -141 12
Barrow 16 255 458 -203 12
Whitehaven 17 336 556 -220 12
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