Both were warned off apparently by Sheens. Like I said I hope his stubbornness won't harm us as by now we could of had a decent front row if we did get Taylor and Williams.

Why is it stubbornness? If he feels neither are right to fit in with what the club are trying to achieve then they are not right!

Williams is also a second row not a prop so why with people saying we need a specialist prop would signing a second-row to push in to prop be any better than what we already have?

It stubborness because he's seems to be basing it off performances in the NRL without thinking of the gulf in class between the competition. Dave Taylor was suppossed to be 'lazy' yet had a decent game at Wigan. All i'm saying is that we wouldn't be having problems with the forwards now if we went for players such as Taylor and Williams.

Aye, mind when Kevin Locke had that decent game too? The first thing we should be looking at with new players is attitude. We've found time and time again that, however talented, players that aren't going to put a shift in / split the dressing room / like a drink etc. etc. just aren't worth the time and money.

The squad this year could be one of two things: either Koukash has decided he doesn't fancy pouring much more money down the drain, or he's doing what he should have done 2 years ago and is letting the right people take the time to build a long-term squad with a mix of youth and the right quality when it's available. Hopefully it's the latter, but nothing would surprise me with Salford anymore.

Regardless we should never be so light weight were desperate for a big prop, but a talented one aswell.

I'm completely in the dark here but if he had a Tongan passport would that make any difference to the overseas quota?

How do you know exactly what Tim Sheens is basing his decision on? You are making an assumption that this is the reason but you do not actually know do you? Dave Taylor has one OK game and again that's justification to say we should have got him. I remember a few players the past couple of years who had one good game and yet were not consistent and generally followed that up with poor games.

If the coaching staff do not believe they fit in to what they are trying to build and achieve then I will go with that decision, regardless of what they decide to not wanting them. It's not me with my head on the chopping board at the end of the day should they not deliver. They have said publicly a number of times they are working to a 3 year plan to build what they want to achieve not rushing out to plug gaps after 1 game against a big, decent team.

Good post, Ayres Rock.

Our team is very young in general, and to slowly build that youth element into an experienced backbone for the Club takes time, effort, and a lot of forethought. I see this season as building the foundations of what's to come, and agree with AR in that Salford of old would panic and go and buy whatever was available to plug a gap. I don't see Watson or Sheens as people who panic easily. They've left some wad to one side in case we need it with injuries or someone truly exceptional suddenly becomes available. I'm happy with that, and while I myself have concerns over our front line pack, I'm sure the coaching staff know better than I.

my main concern is if we lose BMM for a period of time (i pray we don't) then we lose real size, pace and presence in the team. Another big prop must be on the agenda for the coaching team imo.

Thought the pack did really well last night. George Griffin had a great game and I think we will see him blossom this year. Don't think we need to panic buy just yet.

you should also strengthen from a position of strength otherwise you get caught out,

MR, do you know if we are still after another big prop mate?