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| Quote mmp="mmp"Hugely curious election results for those who like stats...the Tory vote didnt really increase much, the labour vote could have been worse I think, UKIP was only up by about 1 pp while the BNP share wasn't markedly up (the actual number who voted BNP in the NW was lower than last time!) while the lib-dems saw a marginal drop. The big winners were the Greens!
BNP targetted the Northwest (and why Nick Griffin stood here) because the % they would need to get a seat is lower here than in other regions beacsue we have the largest population of any region (excluding London).
BNP got 8.0% of the vote in the NW and it got them a seat -
they actually got higher shares of the vote in the North East (8.9%), the West Mids (8.6%), the East Mids (8.7%), and Yorkshire and Humber (9.8%). Of course the figure in Y&H got them a seat there too.
the real question is who would the non-voters have voted for given that turn-out was down? did the traditional labour vote just not turn out or was there a real shift? Gives every party stratgic nightmares as a replication of the European vote in a general election would not have given the Tories a majority in parliament! expect them to lurch to being more anti-EU to ensure they snare the UKIP vote at general election time...while Labour must be praying that UKIP actively contest marginal seats next year to split the Tory vote!'"
In terms of number of votes it was an unusual election. Labour down 1.3million votes, Tories down 200,000 votes, LibDems down 350,000 votes. Which suggests that there is still no real appetite for Cameron and his slick pr men.
BNP vote only went up 80,000 which is tiny really, especially given the amount of coverage they had beforehand and the claims they make about popularity. Others like socialist labour and no2eu would have picked up some old labour voters.
We're actually looking at about 1million Labour voters who simply didn't turn out. If they can convince them to do so at a general election and things could be very different.
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| Quote Exiledred="Exiledred"Thats democracy for you im afraid. How ironic that in the 65th anniversary year of the Normandy landings in which brave, selfless and heroic men died to keep the freedom we now have some folk see fit to elect BNP representatives..shame on you all.'"
Isn't that what they died for though? Our freedom? Freedom to choose who we want to vote for in a democratic election?
Before anyone says anything i didn't vote BNP!
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| Quote Exiledred="Exiledred"Thats democracy for you im afraid. How ironic that in the 65th anniversary year of the Normandy landings in which brave, selfless and heroic men died to keep the freedom we now have some folk see fit to elect BNP representatives..shame on you all.'"
Quote Exiledred="The King of Birchwood"Isn't that what they died for though? Our freedom? Freedom to choose who we want to vote for in a democratic election? '"
Yep. Otherwise we would be living in a greater Germania — a fascist state.
However, let’s not kid ourselves in thinking that any of the folks who fought in or lived through WWII wouldn’t vote for an anti-EU party. Naturally, I suppose, some of them will be nationalist and/or xenophobic, and therefore would be more likely to vote for UKIP or the BNP.
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| Quote The King Of Birchwood="The King Of Birchwood"Isn't that what they died for though? Our freedom? Freedom to choose who we want to vote for in a democratic election?
Before anyone says anything i didn't vote BNP!'"
They didn't die for people to have the 'freedom' to kick out of the country anyone who isn't white, though.
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| Hence my use of "Ironic". Yes people fought for the freedom to vote for whoever they see fit to. Thats perfectly correct and i wouldent want it any other way. Its just dissapointing that people have seen fit to vote for a party,all be it a legitimate one, that espouses such extreme views.
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| Quote Exiledred="Exiledred" Its just disappointing that people have seen fit to vote for a party, albeit a legitimate one, that espouses such extreme views.'"
It's even more disappointing that such a large proportion of people didn't vote, which is what allowed the extremist party to win a high enough percentage of the votes cast to gain two seats.
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| Quote John Charnock="John Charnock"It's even more disappointing that such a large proportion of people didn't vote, which is what allowed the extremist party to win a high enough percentage of the votes cast to gain two seats.'"
Correct. The apathy of the majority of the population is a real concern. The threat of a fascist party gaining one seat should be enough to encourage more people to vote. Unfortunately nearly seven in ten of the adult population of the north west couldnt care less 
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| Quote The King Of Birchwood="The King Of Birchwood"Isn't that what they died for though? Our freedom? Freedom to choose who we want to vote for in a democratic election?
Before anyone says anything i didn't vote BNP!'"
I agree on this totally and no I also did not vote for them.
What people appear to be missing the point on here is that there are enough people in this country who are so fed up with whats going on that they would vote for a extremist party.
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| Quote GT="GT"They didn't die for people to have the 'freedom' to kick out of the country anyone who isn't white, though.'"
Nobody said they did. However anybody who isn't entitled to be in this country by law should not be whether they are white, brown, black, yellow, red, pink or blue and thats where your problem starts.
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| Surely people have the right to vote for who they like, I have heard various comments in the media saying that the party should be banned which then is exacting the type of restriction of free speach the people making the statements advocate.
My opinion is the BNP should be encouraged then we can see openly what the people who support that kind of tripe are up to and not have them go underground and untraceable.
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| Quote Prestwich Red="Prestwich Red"I agree on this totally and no I also did not vote for them.
What people appear to be missing the point on here is that there are enough people in this country who are so fed up with whats going on that they would vote for a extremist party.'"
The thing is the votes for extremist parties hasn't really changed dramatically, people are that fed up they just aren't voting
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| Quote The Black Cat="The Black Cat"Nobody said they did. However anybody who isn't entitled to be in this country by law should not be whether they are white, brown, black, yellow, red, pink or blue and thats where your problem starts.'"
What's that got to do with the BNP? The BNP will kick out anyone who is entitled to be in this country purely because they're not white. That's the problem.
As I've said elsewhere, I can't see any evidence that we're flooded with illegal immigrants. Official census statistics show that those of 'ethnic minority' backgrounds here legally are far, far outnumbered by white British people. So what's the problem, exactly?
If people are so fed up with what's going on in this country that they vote for an openly racist party, then those people have some serious issues.
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