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Your in dreamland if you think Leeds and Salford would merge that will never happen:



Quote: TheButcher "Evidence is great. Of course it is. But evidence is strongest when you provide plenty of it. I'd be interested to see what the statistical figure for merchandise with and without the Red Devils on it. I'm not that interested or have the time to find out for myself. What you've done is provide some evidence that backs up what you say, just not enough to throw the argument out.

As for the forum Sheriff rant, I find it interesting that you took anything I said to heart. All I did was take up a different position than you and I didn't think I was being offensive in any way. I think you're being a tad sensitive if you think I've been Domineering, sanctimonious, or passive aggressive. I thought you were a little bit of all three of those things towards Mike before I even entered the discussion which, to your credit, you acknowledged.

I suggest chilling a little bit. Have a coffee. Go for a poo.

Then I think maybe we can all be friends again.

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I'M NOT going to the Utd range or involving myself in the argument but want to point out that another club having a similar name does not preclude their existing in parallel.
United is a global company, we are a local one. They've publicly acknowkleged the moniker was taken from us. So jump on the coat tails.

If a firm in Korea sells 500 Red Devils' shirts and finds out they're RL shirts

An analogy, imagine Apple had appropriated the Apple moniker from a television manufacturer and never bought it out. I could see aplle TVs having a kudos and marketing position from that even though they were the older firm.

Like it or not, RL is a minority pursuit so use any and every advantage to grow.

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NEW year resolution: review the English
My brain is working in predictive text,

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Quote: TheButcher "You do realise that no matter how many examples you show it's still one-upmanship?

There's also clearly far more merchandise without 'Red Devils' on it than with it. If you could statistically prove that there is more 'Red Devils' merchandise than not, then you would have a strong point. If you look at Mike's original point it finishes with a question mark and not a full stop. Indicating that he wasn't making a point in so much as asking if his point was valid. Replying that someone is 'wrong on everything' to that is not really contributing to the point at hand.'"



I think our owner is trying to entice Man Utd supporters to follow (Salford) Red Devils, by using just the name Red Devils and having our playing shirt red and black, similar to Man U. Would think that the Dr himself designed it. I would love to see some White on it or go right back to original Red, Black and Amber.
I did mention to him at last years November on the road shows, that a few years ago Sheffield produced a shirt which had an Eagle, subtle, filling the full front of their shirt. It was so good that many other clubs fans bought one, now if Salford could produce a shirt with the Devil filling the full front of the shirt it could be quite a winner. But it appears to have fallen on deaf ears, perhaps he knows more than me. He obviously does otherwise I'd be a millionaire.

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The point I was making on the other thread was about the wider perception of "red devils". Do people honestly believe that if someone was to stand on Market St in Manchester and ask 100 random people "in local sport, who are the Red Devils?" a majority would say that it's Salford rugby club?

As for that hat on the previous page. One similar (the kids one on the website) came up in conversation yesterday; the comment was that it looks like a snide Man United one off a market stall, one of those that's intended to be for united fans without infringing their trademarks.

Don't get m wrong, I think it was right to change from Salford City Reds to Salford Red Devils, I just don't think the general public are likely to immediately think of us when they read/see/hear the Red Devils being mentioned.

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Quote: Iain "The point I was making on the other thread was about the wider perception of "red devils". Do people honestly believe that if someone was to stand on Market St in Manchester and ask 100 random people "in local sport, who are the Red Devils?" a majority would say that it's Salford rugby club?

As for that hat on the previous page. One similar (the kids one on the website) came up in conversation yesterday; the comment was that it looks like a snide Man United one off a market stall, one of those that's intended to be for united fans without infringing their trademarks.

Don't get m wrong, I think it was right to change from Salford City Reds to Salford Red Devils, I just don't think the general public are likely to immediately think of us when they read/see/hear the Red Devils being mentioned.'"


I guess the most likely search engine response would be :-
A football team - ' nearby '
A army Parachute display team
A Belgian National Football Team
A South Korean National Football Team
we would come 5th which is good going for a team who changed its moniker a little over 12 months ago

If you mentioned 'Salford' in terms of sport there wont be much of a shortlist , which is why I cannot understand removal of Salford from Red Devils

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I have to admit I wasn't too sure about the new shirt when I first saw it but I think it looks a lot better being worn. I also like the shade of red and the red shorts. icon_thumb.gif

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Thought the same thing myself... need to see what the away kit looks like when worn then I might buy one.

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Really like the subtle differences on the players version of the shirt. Any idea whether these might be available to buy?

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Do prefer the lower neck line and contrasting UA signs on the players shirts.

Even though I liked it at first sight have to say even better when you physically see it.

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Quote: Michigan red "Do prefer the lower neck line and contrasting UA signs on the players shirts.

Even though I liked it at first sight have to say even better when you physically see it.'"


I really didn't like the design when I saw them mocked up but in the flesh they look great (particularly the players ones).

Any ideas whether the players edition is available to purchase?

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Quote: Wayward Fan "I really didn't like the design when I saw them mocked up but in the flesh they look great (particularly the players ones).'"


I know, it's almost like someone at the club know what they are doing, wonders never cease icon_wink.gif

I'd much prefer to shell out a little more and buy the players one, looks much better when you spot the differences.

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And apparently you'll be able to buy them in the new store opening in January in the Lowry.

That's good progress for me, just think of all those Salford shop lifters wearing their ill gotten gains to promote the club icon_wink.gif

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I'd certainly pay a little more too for the players one.

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