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Quote: newgroundb4wakey "Going on what Shaun Wane has said about the subject then you would assume Wigan voted against it. Does any one know which teams were in favour ?'"


From a Wigan perspective I could fully understand if they did vote no. Like a handful of top clubs they are a magnate for the best young kids and have all the systems, experience and resourses in place to develop them.

I think the philosophy of the top clubs is simple, develop as many young players as possible and compliment this with a few top quality overseas players and then raid the poorer clubs of any emerging talent if neccesary, to fill any gaps. Why vote for a marquee allowance and spend a few hundred grand a year more if you are already succesful and don't need to?

As for who voted yes or no, it seems to have been kept very quiet.

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Quote: Jake the Peg "Why?'"


You're winding us up that you don't know !
The last guy associated with that name is currently keeping a low profile in one of HM correctional establishments, though "there's room in his cell for 2",as the old song goes

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Quote: Bonita Red "You're winding us up that you don't know !
The last guy associated with that name is currently keeping a low profile in one of HM correctional establishments, though "there's room in his cell for 2",as the old song goes'"

My name's Dave Robinson, why would I want to change it?

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Quote: Jake the Peg "My name's Dave Robinson, why would I want to change it?'"

Exactly. That name is used as an insult 'round here.

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Quote: Red John "Exactly. That name is used as an insult 'round here.'"

You mancs are a funny lot

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Quote: newgroundb4wakey "Going on what Shaun Wane has said about the subject then you would assume Wigan voted against it. Does any one know which teams were in favour ?'"


Wigan, Leeds and Warrington were the three other teams who voted with the Doc.

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So why would Shaun Wane make that comment unless he is completely out of sync with the Wigan owner/board And i would be surprised if Leeds voted for it as it goes completely against their wage structure. I'm not saying you're wrong, just surprised if you are right.

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Quote: Wigan28/Leeds18 Andy "Wigan, Leeds and Warrington were the three other teams who voted with the Doc.'"


I thought Widnes were meant too be in favour? and I'm very surprised that Catalan wouldn't go for it as you'd think they would be more than in a position to make this type of investment.

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They are all terrified of Marwan.

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Quote: Early Bath "They are all terrified of Marwan.'"


That's understandable. I'm no mathematical genius but I do know that 12 into 8 doesn't go.

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Quote: newgroundb4wakey "So why would Shaun Wane make that comment unless he is completely out of sync with the Wigan owner/board And i would be surprised if Leeds voted for it as it goes completely against their wage structure. I'm not saying you're wrong, just surprised if you are right.'"


Wane hasn't actually said he's against the idea, more that Wigan are Salford are in different places in terms of where they look for players at the moment and that he likes to bring players through the youth system. That hasn't stopped him signing the likes of Bowen when required.

Wigan, Leeds and Warrington voted in favour when it was last brought up in Feb. Widnes where the only one who voted in favour last time who didn't this time for whatever reason.

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Quote: Nankivell "All SL clubs have been mandated to have youth development arrangements. But some have been more successful than others. While it is a fact that some clubs have first pick of the crop and that is based on their success, the criteria upon which the youth development arrangements in a club are judged by the RFL are various, and not solely about the activities of the Youth Development department itself.

Alan Hunte, Chris Coop, et al, do a great job, in my opinion. The major criticism the RFL have of Salford's Academy is the disconnect that appears to exist between the Academy and the first team. All Academy products, Fages, Evalds, Hope, J Walne, A Walne, Davidson, Ford, Tyson, Owen all train with the first team. Sort of. There is still an "us and them" mentality about these kids and the, so called, superstars who have been bought in. The path to them becoming regular first team players is anything but clear. Some don't know who or where they will play until, literally, hours before. And while the club buys in players of similar age and ability to themselves, they can't believe their prospects are so good!

I think I mentioned it once before, but on a particular night, Salford, Wigan, Saints and Leeds were playing. My son and I totted up the number of home grown players in each team. Wigan, Saints and Leeds showed 10, 11 and 12. I don't remember which was which, and it doesn't really matter anyway. Salford fielded 2 home grown players!

MK would love to have the support those other clubs attract and some of it is down to there being so many home grown lads. But it's chicken and egg. Show some success, attract enough attention from aspiring young players and you're on your way. The trouble is that Salford is playing catch up and the issue won't be solved overnight.

To those in rugby league who believe that we can invest properly in Youth development AND buy in Marquee players, I would ask where the funding might be found to do both.

To those who believe that the football Premier League is so fantastic, I would ask why our national side is so lamentable. Brazil is nursing its wounds from a disastrous semi final, but as bad as they might have appeared, they still got there, whereas our team failed at the first hurdle. Our rugby league side does the same, for the same reasons.

When we wake up and smell the coffee, we'll realise that we CAN produce high class, competitive rugby league from the talent which is being produced by our amateur clubs. This in turn will lead to bigger crowds and foster greater participation throughout the game. Those benefits will enable a higher salary cap (introduced to try to prevent clubs becoming insolvent, but clearly not meeting that intention) and reduce the attraction of RU and NRL.

And we will have a sufficient pool of players to enable us to beat the antipodeans.'"


Great post that.

"The trouble is that Salford is playing catch up and the issue won't be solved overnight."

Perhaps understandably the Doctor doesn't want to wait. But I agree, we don't want to see Superleague end up like the Premiership where money buys in the best players at the detriment of youth development.

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Quote: Nankivell "
To those who believe that the football Premier League is so fantastic, I would ask why our national side is so lamentable. Brazil is nursing its wounds from a disastrous semi final, but as bad as they might have appeared, they still got there, whereas our team failed at the first hurdle. Our rugby league side does the same, for the same reasons.

When we wake up and smell the coffee, we'll realise that we CAN produce high class, competitive rugby league from the talent which is being produced by our amateur clubs. This in turn will lead to bigger crowds and foster greater participation throughout the game. '"


The Premier League is an unbelievable financial success, it's grown from a 170 million revenue in 1992 to 3 billion. This would never have been possible without the influx of International superstars. Thank the lord McManus and Co weren’t involved in football or we’d be paying our money to watch the next Russell Beardsmore.

The average spectator doesn’t give two hoots if a player was born in their street or in Timbuktu. All that matters to them is that their team is as strong as possible, entertaining and winning matches.

As for International sport, people don’t care until we lose a test series or get knocked out of a tournament and it’s then quickly forgotten. Give them a choice of their domestic team winning week in week out against occasional International success and I know what they would take.

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Quote: theredshed "The Premier League is an unbelievable financial success, it's grown from a 170 million revenue in 1992 to 3 billion. This would never have been possible without the influx of International superstars. Thank the lord McManus and Co weren’t involved in football or we’d be paying our money to watch the next Russell Beardsmore.

The average spectator doesn’t give two hoots if a player was born in their street or in Timbuktu. All that matters to them is that their team is as strong as possible, entertaining and winning matches.

As for International sport, people don’t care until we lose a test series or get knocked out of a tournament and it’s then quickly forgotten. Give them a choice of their domestic team winning week in week out against occasional International success and I know what they would take.'"


Couldn't agree more

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