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You Carnt blame him for last night, so is the team good enough?. End of the day we were well beaten by Leeds kids.

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i've been saying this from the start of the season when all the mcrae haters started! All this he cant motivate players etc is $hite! The players aren't good enough collectively on a regular basis. We pull off a great win like saints at home for example, then get beat off crusaders. Its the players not the coach! We all say mcrae cant motivate the players, many thought alker would be able too but has he? At the end of the season we need a full overhaul of the backroom staff IMO, new coach, assistant, conditioner, physio etc. One thing i have noticed this season especially is that every other team looks fitter, physically bigger and sharper than us. Didn't alker and our conditioner go on a holiday down under in the close season to get ideas and techniques to help us? not working yet.

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Quote: Jaymc9 "i've been saying this from the start of the season when all the mcrae haters started! All this he cant motivate players etc is $hite! The players aren't good enough collectively on a regular basis. We pull off a great win like saints at home for example, then get beat off crusaders. Its the players not the coach! We all say mcrae cant motivate the players, many thought alker would be able too but has he? At the end of the season we need a full overhaul of the backroom staff IMO, new coach, assistant, conditioner, physio etc. One thing i have noticed this season especially is that every other team looks fitter, physically bigger and sharper than us. Didn't alker and our conditioner go on a holiday down under in the close season to get ideas and techniques to help us? not working yet.'"

Well he certainly did against Wigan and for 40 minutes last night, I'd like to believe thats better than McRae already this season?

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had to lauf at that one for 40 mins that we went on and got spanked 46-12 like thats going to do us any good all season icon_rolleyes.gif

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Yes 100% to blame. Any good season needs to be built on a good pre season, he should of put structures and systems in place as well as enhancing skill and tackling levels. The new coaches can not fix it all in 2 weeks.

I plead that SM does not come back. He has just had nearly 3 months off then 3 games in leaves. The head coach supposed to be the rock in any club not 'phoning in sick' and leaving the players up creek without a paddle. Everyone should be pulling in the right direction not going on leave for a 4 week jolly!!!!!!!

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Quote: Red-4-life "Well he certainly did against Wigan and for 40 minutes last night, I'd like to believe thats better than McRae already this season?'"


well mcrae was in charge against wakefield? So i take it, it was mcraes fault that we played shocking in the 2nd half at leeds? It seems that you think it was Alkers great work that we competed for 40 mins but then because we got hammered in the 2nd half thats down to mcrae?

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Quote: Jaymc9 "well mcrae was in charge against wakefield? So i take it, it was mcraes fault that we played shocking in the 2nd half at leeds? It seems that you think it was Alkers great work that we competed for 40 mins but then because we got hammered in the 2nd half thats down to mcrae?'"


Beaten 26-0 in the second half - Paaleasina didn't come back on, presumably that was a conscious decision by Alker after taking him off in the first half when Leeds had waltzed past him twice!

Is this McCrae's fault - largely yes, he's been in charge for 3 1/2 years, he was in charge all through the pre-season, presumably he had a say in signing two forwards who just fill up the treatement room and another let go by Wigan because all the opposition know to target his defensive weaknesses.

Where's William Shakespeare when you need him? This season has all the makings of a tragedy.

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Quote: weastyred "Yes 100% to blame. Any good season needs to be built on a good pre season, he should of put structures and systems in place as well as enhancing skill and tackling levels. The new coaches can not fix it all in 2 weeks.

I plead that SM does not come back. He has just had nearly 3 months off then 3 games in leaves. The head coach supposed to be the rock in any club not 'phoning in sick' and leaving the players up creek without a paddle. Everyone should be pulling in the right direction not going on leave for a 4 week jolly!!!!!!!'"


Can you please reflect on some of your statements regarding SM,the man is off work due to sickness/ill health and neither you nor any other posters know what his condition is and he wont be on a four week jolly.

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I'm prety certain we'd all agree that the problems at the club are not just down to any one individual. The whole set-up appears flawed as far as I can see....
Player power rumoured to rear it's head every so often.
Poor close season signings a regular occurrence.
An apparent lack of team spirit.
Supposedly poor fitness levels.
An incomprehensible ability to 'fold' mid game allowing the opposition to cash in heavily.
The inability for younger players to progess year upon year.
The Head Coaches inability to clearly explain how heavy/regular defeats are occuring.
etc etc etc ...
Something just seems inherently wrong within the club. It's as if Salford RLFC is destined never to attain SL greatness. Even a decent Challenge Cup run now seems highly unlikely each season. The poor Directors must be totally downcast.
Unless, by some remarkable turn of fate the playing squad comes good combined with the new stadium and posssible new investors/sponsors, I now seriously doubt that silverware will be seen at the club for many years to come.
I'm sure most of us would be happy just to watch a competitive team, and not have to endure season upon season of heavy defeats and false dawns.
Sadly, I just don't see any light at the end of the tunnel. icon_cry.gif
I truly hope I am wrong.

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Quote: Jaymc9 "well mcrae was in charge against wakefield? So i take it, it was mcraes fault that we played shocking in the 2nd half at leeds? It seems that you think it was Alkers great work that we competed for 40 mins but then because we got hammered in the 2nd half thats down to mcrae?'"

Wakefield arent exactly the same quality as Wigan or Leeds though are they? To add to that, when did I say it was McRae's fault we didn't preform for the second half against Leeds, when did I say it was McRae's fault for our second half performance? I didn't say it was anyones fault, and I just don't get why everyones slating Alker when he's had no experience in coaching a team before now. The problem isn't just McRae, its the coaches and the players, the desire to win, or even compete just doesn't seem to be there.

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Apart from Crusaders we were the last team to get the "squad" together for training namely January, the rest had their sqads in from November, surely that is the coaches fault for allowing that to happen, perhaps we would have been better prepared. Yes it is a tough opening, we have known this since the fixtures came out so the coach should have known that we needed to be "gelling" early to play well.

Thats in the past now so hopefully we can try and start winning games and playing for the full 80 and that means no place in the team for Feka, we need tacklers to build up from defence not a circus comedy act that this player is.

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Original I have reflected on SM position and it makes me angy and even requesting my money back on the families season tickets!!!

So in 2 weeks time he will rid of stress? A big loss and he will be stressed again, it comes with the territory, I don't think he has helped himself due to diet etc, this is not a personal swipe but any decent coach looks after himself as he should be active on the pitch. In all my years of watching Salford (a very long time) I have never seen such a farce, there are so many fundamentals flaws its untrue:

Coach going on sick
Football director keeping his job year after year when the club is in steap decline
Football director taking over when not Been in full time coaching role for 15 years?
Signing injured players on massive contracts
Employing an assitant with no genuine exposure of top class coaching
Employing an assistant who been out game 12 month
Signing aged players on large and long contracts
Giving some players who are not worth a championship contracts new deals (sidlow, jewit)
Giving vice captain to an overweight fringe player.


The list can go on and on:

Wilky act now, or we will continue be laughing stock of SL we need a total overhaul from top to bottom.

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Quote: weastyred "Original I have reflected on SM position and it makes me angy and even requesting my money back on the families season tickets!!!

So in 2 weeks time he will rid of stress? A big loss and he will be stressed again, it comes with the territory, I don't think he has helped himself due to diet etc, this is not a personal swipe but any decent coach looks after himself as he should be active on the pitch. In all my years of watching Salford (a very long time) I have never seen such a farce, there are so many fundamentals flaws its untrue

i agree with most of that, who is the vice captain?

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Quote: weastyred "Original I have reflected on SM position and it makes me angy and even requesting my money back on the families season tickets!!!

So in 2 weeks time he will rid of stress? A big loss and he will be stressed again, it comes with the territory, I don't think he has helped himself due to diet etc, this is not a personal swipe but any decent coach looks after himself as he should be active on the pitch. In all my years of watching Salford (a very long time) I have never seen such a farce, there are so many fundamentals flaws its untrue
Football director taking over when not Been in full time coaching role for 15 years?
Signing injured players on massive contracts
Employing an assitant with no genuine exposure of top class coaching
Employing an assistant who been out game 12 month
Signing aged players on large and long contracts
Giving some players who are not worth a championship contracts new deals (sidlow, jewit)
Giving vice captain to an overweight fringe player.

The list can go on and on

I've always stuck up for Simms, but our recruitment doesn't seem so wise now. We needed a quality prop forward and got two injured second rowers instead.

Signing aged players on long contracts is reallying hurting us already and, since they're on long contracts, it's not like we can replace them anytime soon. Especially damaging when one of the injured two is on an overseas quota place.

I also don't get what the deal is with Parker, Warrington fans never had much, complimentay, to say about him. Patten or Cashmere should have taken the role.

The clubs main problem is the way every young player in the team, is looking stale and failing to get any better. If I was close to Broughton, I'd be advising him to get away from the club ASAP. He's got the ability to be an international standard winger, but seems to look less like one every week. There was a Leeds fan on the forum a couple of days ago, saying how good Gibson's Defence was at Leeds, when it's dreadful for us.

In the main, it' s not the quality of our players. It's more due to the fact, we have no shape in defence and fail to drift. Poor structures in defence really is down to poor coaching.

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