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Rumour is Koukash has crapped your academy. Disastrous for you if true.

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Where have you heard this?

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Morley also gone (rumour)

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Bloody hell, if all this is true the high of the MPG will be soon forgotten.

Club going in yet another backwards direction (hope it's all false)

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i was told last week from a reliable source. I am told Morley & Carvell are going & the under 19s & academy were being scrapped, I was also told that there was more cuts. I had posted last week without using names, however it does appear true.
I believe Morley to be offered another non related coaching role, no smoke without fire!

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If true, it's a massive mistake.

The academy should have been a priority years ago, before MK came around. We'd be producing decent talent every year and it would be paying for itself. Instead, we never bothered. Impressive that we have managed to produce so many decent youngsters tbh. Imagine what we would be producing if we'd have got this right ten years ago?

MK should have sorted this as his first project instead of buying-in expensive bell-ends.

To scrap it now is madness, and leaves us off worse financially in the long run. You don't produce youngsters you don't get the SC discounts. Current operational rules say you need a percentage of home grown youngsters in your squad, and we'll be left buying-in expensive signings or forking-out for other clubs youngsters.

Makes no sense.

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Quote: TheButcher "If true, it's a massive mistake.

The academy should have been a priority years ago, before MK came around. We'd be producing decent talent every year and it would be paying for itself. Instead, we never bothered. Impressive that we have managed to produce so many decent youngsters tbh. Imagine what we would be producing if we'd have got this right ten years ago?

MK should have sorted this as his first project instead of buying-in expensive bell-ends.

To scrap it now is madness, and leaves us off worse financially in the long run. You don't produce youngsters you don't get the SC discounts. Current operational rules say you need a percentage of home grown youngsters in your squad, and we'll be left buying-in expensive signings or forking-out for other clubs youngsters.

Makes no sense.'"

Seems a bit stupid to scrap the academy it can't cost that much surely it's funny that Sheens is now with us and he's saying the youth is the main priority

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Quote: fun time frankie "Seems a bit stupid to scrap the academy it can't cost that much surely it's funny that Sheens is now with us and he's saying the youth is the main priority'"


I've seen the figure of 250k thrown around with regards to Academy cost, with a small hand-out of 50k from the RFL.

I don't know how true these figures are so may be well off the mark.

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I thought it was a requisite of the RFL that to be in super league you had to have a academy/youth set up. it is just plain madness
IF this report is true

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I think the academy system works much better for clubs where they have a much stronger junior club base. We have to be realistic, how many local lads from Salford have gone on to be Internationals in the past 50 years? 4 or 5. Most of the one's that did weren't even interested in playing for Salford like Betts, Morley and Watkins. We simply don't produce enough because we aren't a first choice option for 99% of the best kids from Wigan, Warrington, Widnes, St Helens and Yorkshire etc.

The problem is if the club invest and produce the odd decent kid they're off the minute a Warrington, Saints or Hull come knocking. For the cost of running a severely handicapped and failing academy you could have 3 more top quality players in your squad.

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Quote: theredshed "I think the academy system works much better for clubs where they have a much stronger junior club base. We have to be realistic, how many local lads from Salford have gone on to be Internationals in the past 50 years? 4 or 5. Most of the one's that did weren't even interested in playing for Salford like Betts, Morley and Watkins. We simply don't produce enough because we aren't a first choice option for 99% of the best kids from Wigan, Warrington, Widnes, St Helens and Yorkshire etc.

The problem is if the club invest and produce the odd decent kidd they're off the minute a Warrington, Saints or Hull come knocking. For the cost of running a severely handicapped and failing academy you could have 3 more top quality players in your squad.'"


But I thought your owner was a billionaire? Surely a few hundred thousand for an academy is peanuts to him?

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Quote: Pacific "But I thought your owner was a billionaire? Surely a few hundred thousand for an academy is peanuts to him?'"


That's debatable but even if he was a club has to be run as a business.

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Not sure about that that redshed. Betts is different to the others. Wigan were full time when Betts came through, Salford couldn't offer him a FT contract.
For many years Salford scouts refused to look at local players. Morley was one of my those that we didn't court as we should have. Think Watkns is as the same but know less about him.
If you're a junior player and you have a choice between a club with an excellent academy set up, clear pathway into first team and are regularly challenging for honours and Salfords haphazard inconsistent approach to junior development, what are you going to choose? Same happens in football too
In the past Salford put no effort into developing links with local clubs, building relationships with coaches, club secretaries and the like and all that impacts on the advice junior players get and therefore the choices they make
Ironically in the last couple of years they have built massively improved links to local clubs and with junior coaches. I hope all of this doesn't ruin those improvements

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Quote: theredshed "I think the academy system works much better for clubs where they have a much stronger junior club base. We have to be realistic, how many local lads from Salford have gone on to be Internationals in the past 50 years? 4 or 5. Most of the one's that did weren't even interested in playing for Salford like Betts, Morley and Watkins. We simply don't produce enough because we aren't a first choice option for 99% of the best kids from Wigan, Warrington, Widnes, St Helens and Yorkshire etc.

The problem is if the club invest and produce the odd decent kid they're off the minute a Warrington, Saints or Hull come knocking. For the cost of running a severely handicapped and failing academy you could have 3 more top quality players in your squad.'"


I admire your positive spin, however if we have aspirations of wanting to be a super league club surely a condition should be to develop the infrastructure including the reintroduction of an A team not just the academy system.
There is a reason our game has been devalued & lost its way, it is all about importing a quick fix from Australia at the expense of local talent. If more clubs adopt this approach the game long term would continue the decline.
Developing the game at under 19s or academy is not just about measuring the success of a player making the grade although I understand the goal, it is also about developing the game & interest locally because without this infrastructure the club as no future.

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