Well, I didn't think we'd win tonight but I didn't see that kind of thrashing being on the cards at all. The bit that was really scary was that they put 50 on us with Jon Wilkin at half back, can you imagine what the score would have been if Luke Walsh had played? I shudder to think. I also don't buy into the 'oh you've had an off day against the champs' bit either, we were awful and showed not a bit of character or resilience.

Apart from BJB's brilliant individual try, there were simply no positives to draw out of tonight. What I will say though is, that every single player in that 17 tonight owe us all a set of top quality performances that include passion, effort and perseverance over the remainder of the season after that debacle.

On par with Daniel Taylor's Utd/boob job analogy... excellent work.

On the topic of MCB can Harris give him extra homework with Martin Gleeson on how to tackle one-on-one? Some skills balls in hand but Christ I can tackle better than him.

I said at the time that Hock should have been hurtled out of the door after last year's farce and he's not doing anything to prove me wrong.

What concerned me most about Wire, and in my opinion was the primary cause of the debacle last night, is the absolute lack of team spirit. Watch the footage again on Vimeo of when BJB scores - they look unenthusiastic to say the least. You need game time to gel a team on the pitch but they've had plenty of time to gel off it now.

no TEAM SPIRIT...just a team of individuals. If Salford start a game well, then they are dangerous. Fall behind by 12+ points, and they just 'go through the motions'.

Sad as this is I think it's probably right, on Thursday there was no little effort and endevour, I remember Saints breaking the line at one point and you could actually see the spirit drain from the Salford side and it just continued to ebb away afterwards.

I can see this situation developing one or two ways. Lose the next couple and the players will start blaming Harris and the rest of the coaching team, or this could prove a huge wake up call and we'll see a huge reaction against Hull and Catalan. If the Doc's actions are anything to go by after Thursday I'd be extremely worried that he could pull the plug and that I could have a tidy contract terminated soon if I was a coach or player.

Players look for excuses when the pressure is on them, like they did with Noble. Then after a coach is sacked they come out publicly and display sympathy for the coach.

Hopefully it won't come to this and we'll see the team playing to its potential soon.

Not a great night for your boys especially so as they were being talked up bigtime by the media and the TV pundits.

Its early days yet. If it is any consolation take a look at Saints results from last season. We were on the end of a right good few knobbings throughout the season, noteably Catalan( A), both Hull clubs (A) and Warrington at Magic. These were real embarrassing defeats were again the commitment/ team spirit/ coaching staff were called into question. Clearly it came right in the end despite the adversity in the treatment room.

I think you need to take a step back, stick with it and see how the season pans out. Your team got good reports admittedly in defeat at the HJ so one poor outing is not a total disaster.