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| Quote: Nankivell "All SL clubs have been mandated to have youth development arrangements. But some have been more successful than others. While it is a fact that some clubs have first pick of the crop and that is based on their success, the criteria upon which the youth development arrangements in a club are judged by the RFL are various, and not solely about the activities of the Youth Development department itself.
Alan Hunte, Chris Coop, et al, do a great job, in my opinion. The major criticism the RFL have of Salford's Academy is the disconnect that appears to exist between the Academy and the first team. All Academy products, Fages, Evalds, Hope, J Walne, A Walne, Davidson, Ford, Tyson, Owen all train with the first team. Sort of. There is still an "us and them" mentality about these kids and the, so called, superstars who have been bought in. The path to them becoming regular first team players is anything but clear. Some don't know who or where they will play until, literally, hours before. And while the club buys in players of similar age and ability to themselves, they can't believe their prospects are so good!
I think I mentioned it once before, but on a particular night, Salford, Wigan, Saints and Leeds were playing. My son and I totted up the number of home grown players in each team. Wigan, Saints and Leeds showed 10, 11 and 12. I don't remember which was which, and it doesn't really matter anyway. Salford fielded 2 home grown players!
MK would love to have the support those other clubs attract and some of it is down to there being so many home grown lads. But it's chicken and egg. Show some success, attract enough attention from aspiring young players and you're on your way. The trouble is that Salford is playing catch up and the issue won't be solved overnight.
To those in rugby league who believe that we can invest properly in Youth development AND buy in Marquee players, I would ask where the funding might be found to do both.
To those who believe that the football Premier League is so fantastic, I would ask why our national side is so lamentable. Brazil is nursing its wounds from a disastrous semi final, but as bad as they might have appeared, they still got there, whereas our team failed at the first hurdle. Our rugby league side does the same, for the same reasons.
When we wake up and smell the coffee, we'll realise that we CAN produce high class, competitive rugby league from the talent which is being produced by our amateur clubs. This in turn will lead to bigger crowds and foster greater participation throughout the game. Those benefits will enable a higher salary cap (introduced to try to prevent clubs becoming insolvent, but clearly not meeting that intention) and reduce the attraction of RU and NRL.
And we will have a sufficient pool of players to enable us to beat the antipodeans.'"
Great post that.
"The trouble is that Salford is playing catch up and the issue won't be solved overnight."
Perhaps understandably the Doctor doesn't want to wait. But I agree, we don't want to see Superleague end up like the Premiership where money buys in the best players at the detriment of youth development.
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| Quote: bishops finger "like I said, its going to be tough to work out what and who you class as Marquee players
I think of players like Slater, Cronk, Inglis and Thurston as top marquee players but not so muchCostigan, Burns and Keating
opinion will definitely be split on this IMO'"
I think the easiest answer is that a marquee player is what each Club deems it to be. It could be an International, or a homegrown star, or simply a high wage earner. Let's take Clarke at Cas. If there was a marquee player in effect Cas could have made him it, got external sponsors to contribute and they could have held off bigger Clubs sniffing around, like Warrington and he'd cost less on the cap. All hypothetical but you get the idea. It could be used in a number of different ways depending on the needs of each Club.
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| Indeedy. The simplest solution is to just allow each club to identify their own marquee player who doesn't count on the cap using whatever criteria they want. This then frees money from the amount allowed under the cap to invest in, say, more young players.
However, until it gets voted in, the details will never get thrashed out.
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| Quote: Red John "Indeedy. The simplest solution is to just allow each club to identify their own marquee player who doesn't count on the cap using whatever criteria they want. This then frees money from the amount allowed under the cap to invest in, say, more young players.
However, until it gets voted in, the details will never get thrashed out.'"
Whilst I'm against marquee exemption at this precise moment in time (personally I'd give it a few years), I think rather than dictating who qualifies as a marquee, what could be better is declaring anyone can be classified as a marquee, but (marquee salary - 100k) has to also be put aside for youth development, community work etc on top of whatever is already spent in those areas - but equally then to sign a player on 500k (minimum to sign a better aussie who could still play nrl imo) - a club has to prove they can afford an extra 800k, which is a lot in anyones book...
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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "Whilst I'm against marquee exemption at this precise moment in time (personally I'd give it a few years), I think rather than dictating who qualifies as a marquee, what could be better is declaring anyone can be classified as a marquee, but (marquee salary - 100k) has to also be put aside for youth development, community work etc on top of whatever is already spent in those areas - but equally then to sign a player on 500k (minimum to sign a better aussie who could still play nrl imo) - a club has to prove they can afford an extra 800k, which is a lot in anyones book...'"
I think the problem with this is that it would emphasise the divide between the haves and the have nots, because you're making the marquee signing twice as expensive. We need to completely separate the marquee signing from youth development (and I think McManus is being disingenuous by trying to somehow link them). Yes, there needs to be much more effort put in to bringing young players through, but I can't see why this should somehow be linked to a marquee signing. The incentives need to be defined separately, like specifying that a high percentage - 25% or more - of players in the first team squad should have come through the club's academy, for example. The only place where the two become linked is if the marquee ruling can be used to keep a home grown British player in the country and in the sport.
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| Quote: Red John "I think the problem with this is that it would emphasise the divide between the haves and the have nots, because you're making the marquee signing twice as expensive. We need to completely separate the marquee signing from youth development (and I think McManus is being disingenuous by trying to somehow link them). Yes, there needs to be much more effort put in to bringing young players through, but I can't see why this should somehow be linked to a marquee signing. The incentives need to be defined separately, like specifying that a high percentage - 25% or more - of players in the first team squad should have come through the club's academy, for example. The only place where the two become linked is if the marquee ruling can be used to keep a home grown British player in the country and in the sport.'"
I think the two have become linked because it underlines two separate paths the sport in this country can take. Nobody in this country is in a situation to "have it all" in terms of signing in players and developing their own, so its a case of which comes to the forefront, and which is brought in later.
Incentives for youth production AND marquees should be brought in at some point. The strength the sport in this country would gain if the international team gained a level of success is on a par with individual teams signing a "marquee" (for what id believe to be reasonably achievable) - so theres balance in each of the advantages. The problem is its becoming more and more "youthists" vs "marqueeists" - by tying them together we might feasibly achieve a compromise which otherwise looks unlikely.
One of the big arguments from those in favour (and was made by yourself) is that it frees money in the cap for more youth players - by tying them together it just makes that a requirement as opposed to an option. OF course theres a million different ways to go about doing so. Another I just read on VT (and expanded upon) is the "level" of marquee off cap is tied into the academy grade (grade 1 academy = first 100k only counts on the cap, grade 2 = first 250k on the cap, grade 3 = 400k on the cap, grade 4 = 500k on the cap) - it would still allow someone with a grade 4 academy to sign inglis on a mill a year, but its to their advantage to improve their academy to limit his cost, and free up cap space going forward ... But of course I'm going to like that idea being a saints fan with a grade 1 academy
Teams wont vote in marquee exemptions without the details thrashed out, the powers that be wont thrash out the details until its voted in ... Good place to be!
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