Agree entirely with everything Beck2 says.

The improvements and negatives balanced out i think all told we look no better than last season.

Personally, at the moment we should be thinking about just avoiding the drop. Can Chase really make such a difference? Let's hope so.

Somewhere between the 2 myself. I was pretty down about last night, more so than the other loses because of the manner of it, the reasons mentioned by others no structure to attack or defence, no leaders on the pitch but mostly no improvement

However 24 hours on I remember how I thought the season would pan out, and barring the ridiculous injuries this realistically would be it. As butcher says steady improvement on last season is what we want, preferably top 8. maybe I bought in to the ludacris top 6- top 4 crap as well was never going to happen. Onwards and upwards, just hope for a better performance next week, can only see a cas win just hope for a bit more effort

Noble seems to play the tactics employed by NRL teams of just drives in your own half and only throw it about in the opposition half.
Majority of the game was played in the Salford half though, making you look void of ideas.

You say Johnson and Manfredi were positives but then say play Meli on the wing? Meli is better in the centres these days.

Manfredi is cover for Meli for a month. He demonstrated how quickly the ball should be played.

I agree some people were getting very giddy but if I'm honest we have been more disappointing than I even expected.(And I consider myself a realist) I know the injuries haven't helped the situation but performances need to improve very quickly to prevent the increase in support dropping away and negativity surrounding the club again. All the hype has put pressure on us and I believe Castleford is now a must win game. Lose this one and I wouldn't be surprised if we go back to sub 3000 crowds.

By contrast just look at what Powell is achieving at Castleford. He's had much less time in the job than Noble, lost arguably his best player and is working with a much smaller budget. His new half backs are a player we didn't want this year and a player out of the championship. There's been no fancy 3 week, high altitude, trip to South Africa for Castleford Tigers. It's time now for Noble and the players to start earning the big money they are being paid. No excuses.

Butcher it isn't the results that disappoint me it's more the level of team performance for a club spending maximum salary cap with a supposedly high profile coach. As a club we have to get out of the excuse culture if we are going to progress.