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| Quote: Theboyem "Interesting to read Steve McCormack on twitter earlier in response to the question 'did Steve Simms sign any players whilst you were in charge?'
His reply was 'All of them'.
Bobby Goulding seemed to back this up. Seems to go directly against what was said last night doesn't it?'"
Not necessarily. It depends how you defined 'signed'. I got the impression that the coach identified the players he wanted and Steve Simms then signed them, where 'signed' meant 'negotiated the contract'.
In addition, Steve McCormack might not be the typical case. He was a young, relatively inexperienced coach when he took over at Salford, and the board may have felt he needed some help in this area. A better test would be to find out how it worked with the coaches the club has had since then.
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| Quote: Prestwich Red "From the Microphone not working to then having to have a ear trumpet to hear JW talk just about sums up Salford at present.
I may be shot down in flames for this but JW really came down in my estimation tonight.
He is either very naive or a very bad business man.
Expecting 8K fans to come along to the new stadium after average attendances at the Willows were around 5K is laughable.
We were then told that attendance was needed due to the loss of other revenue streams, sorry but what type of business plan is that ?
Surely they must have known about the service charge prior to the move and the loss of other earning streams.
The Warrington example was then given regarding a stadium move which really did cap it all.
We were finally asked if we the fans could get the money together (which I think was the main call for the meeting)
600K is a huge amount to owe creditors and that amount has been known for months.
Lies and more lies have been told regarding this.
We are up $hit creek without a paddle.
At Wilderspool in the last couple of season Wire averaged around 7k. After the move to the HJ that's in excess of 11k. Hull's gates went up by more than that. I don;t think it was unreasonable to expect Salford's Willows average of 5k to go up to 8k
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| Quote: Red John "Not necessarily. It depends how you defined 'signed'. I got the impression that the coach identified the players he wanted and Steve Simms then signed them, where 'signed' meant 'negotiated the contract'.
In addition, Steve McCormack might not be the typical case. He was a young, relatively inexperienced coach when he took over at Salford, and the board may have felt he needed some help in this area. A better test would be to find out how it worked with the coaches the club has had since then.'"
You may be correct but the conversation seems to give the impression that they were Simms' choice of players as well. As for being SM being inexperienced isn't this also Veivers first head coach role as it was Parish's? And Harrison had only had a short spell at Keighley in the top job beforehand, so it was only McCrae who came with any prior experience as a full time coach and to be honest he has always come accross as a bit of a yes man. It would be likely that, whatever the truth of the situation, Simms' management style will have remained consisitent throughout his time at Salford.
Another, probably more important, argument would be is his role required anyway, especially in these troubled times?
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| Quote: Theboyem "You may be correct but the conversation seems to give the impression that they were Simms' choice of players as well. '"
I noticed the following link on another forum and there is no mention of the thoughts of the coach,at the time
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| Quote: Theboyem "Quote: Theboyem "Not necessarily. It depends how you defined 'signed'. I got the impression that the coach identified the players he wanted and Steve Simms then signed them, where 'signed' meant 'negotiated the contract'.
In addition, Steve McCormack might not be the typical case. He was a young, relatively inexperienced coach when he took over at Salford, and the board may have felt he needed some help in this area. A better test would be to find out how it worked with the coaches the club has had since then.'"
You may be correct but the conversation seems to give the impression that they were Simms' choice of players as well. As for being SM being inexperienced isn't this also Veivers first head coach role as it was Parish's? And Harrison had only had a short spell at Keighley in the top job beforehand, so it was only McCrae who came with any prior experience as a full time coach and to be honest he has always come accross as a bit of a yes man. It would be likely that, whatever the truth of the situation, Simms' management style will have remained consisitent throughout his time at Salford.
Another, probably more important, argument would be is his role required anyway, especially in these troubled times?'"
Steve McCormack was different in that he'd spent pretty much his entire non-playing career at Salford (and was, remember, not much older - maybe younger - than some of the senior players we had at that time) whereas the others had been around a bit. Phil Veivers has been on the coaching staff at Wigan and possibly Huddersfield, for example. Karl Harrison had been assistant coach at Bradford.
With regards Steve Simms role, [ievery[/i club will have someone who does those things, sometimes more than one person. Other clubs may have a more RL savvy CEO who could negotiate contracts, for example, or the chairman might do it, or another director might do it, but someone, somewhere will be carrying out those tasks. Removing him from the staff won't make them disappear, so you'd have to find someone else to do them.
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| So Simms is in a job because nobody else in the boardroom or in the senior staff is competent enough to negoiate a contract or arrange a work visa. Hardly surprising your club is in trouble then. Square pegs and round holes come to mind.
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