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We got the Nuremberg trials to try and move on from the crimes of the war. In fact a similar thing to highlight the crimes of Rugby Union may help us forgive and forget. I move the death penalty against Jeremy Guscott, John Inverdale, that bald one off the BBC and that whole crowd of cretins who do SKY's RU coverage.

Also read the excellent 'The Forbidden Game' by Mike Rylance and you will see the comparison between the crimes of the Germans and the Rugby Union aren't as far apart as you would think. Perhaps you should stop spouting some of the total nonsense you do about football if you want anyone to bother reading your posts about your beloved Rugby Union.

Good old political historical debate on the Turkey, with some very good points raised in both camps as it were, don't let the Yawnian read this they might think us northeners are edukated

Sadly while Union are attracting 70000+ international crowds and double the tv viewing figures for an England friendly vs Argentina when compared to the viewing figures for the RL 4 nations final then we are always going to be been as the poor relation by the media.