The whole congestion charge idea is flawed.

If it does its job, and clears the majority of cars from the roads during the rush hour, and everyone reverts to public transport, then how is the £3 billion (+ interest) paid back? The whole concept relies on people still using their cars to pay back the loan.

If they cant raise the revenue to repay the loan, then the only options left will be to increase the congestion chrage area, increase the charge, increase the hours of operation or stick it onto the council tax.

As stated above VOTE NO!

so the greater manchester concil is calling for more public transport, to link all areas,?????

please tell me where they were in 1983 when the goverment privatisied the public transport system and made it the mess it is today,

in Salford we had 2 bus garages one at weaste and one at fredrick rd, all serving the CITY OF SALFORD, plus the Lancashire utd garage in Switon just of the east lancs road, near Swine town town hall,

at the time i worked at fredrick road, we were told that both depots in salford , although running at a profit and meeting the local needs we were to close and everything moved to queens rd or disbury or bolton, and there started the decline in the transport system in manchester, they shud of kept it with local councils local garages local drivers local routes ,

i woundnt trust manchester city council to book my holiday, let alone run a transport system.

all talk no action and when they do its all foooked up.

Can we try to keep any discussion, including congestion charge and public transport, on topic with relation to the stadium - I know I've been somewhat guilty myself here but I've tried to give some relvance to public transport to our stadium. If people want to start a discussion purely on congestion charging please start another OT thread.

i think what most people are trying to say on here is, that if the council are saying they will invest in transport to our new stadium, when it is up and running, that they dont believe a word of it,

when has GMC ever done any thing for SALFORD and i mean the CITY not the team, they have riped the heart out of the CITY AND THE PEOPLE who were born n brought up there, taken lots out put nothing back,

im one of the lucky ones and moved away,

BUT im still sad to see what GMC and our own so called CITY council has done to a once proud CITY.

and a congestion charge is not going to change anything apart from the pockets of GMC .

given that it ceased to exist 22 years ago that would be kind of difficult pal

All i can I will get in my area is a cycle track down the A6 to manchester, noway am I buying a bike to say yes i have benefited from TIF, and No it will not get me to the ground. Funny really because from the top of Moorside Road I would be able to see the ground but could only get there in a very round about way.

Getting back on topic: lessons to learn from Juventus. In 1990. the ‘Old Lady’ moved into the Stadio Delle Alpi — a brand spanking new 70,000 capacity stadium built for Italia ’90. The supporters hated it. Why? Because:



As a result, average crowds of 50,000 in 1991 dwindled:



In 2006, Juventus (and Torino) put the abandoned sign up and moved to the 27,500 seater Stadio Olimpico (not the one in Rome, obviously), a newish facility built on the site of their old ground, the Stadio Comunale. Juventus have played there ever since. But the fans still aren’t happy:



So [url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/europe/7740470.stmJuve are building their own ground[/url — costing £90m — on the site of the Stadio Delle Alpi: a 40,000 seater, [isans [/irunning track and therefore tighter to the pitch.



Lesson: If you’re building a new stadium on the outskirts of the city, make sure the fans warm to it. Otherwise, even championships won’t pack them in.

Any news on the STADIUM???

David Tarry has just been on Sky Sports News. Can’t lip read though so I don’t know what he said. He was on the site of the new stadium.

I truly hope that it's what I was told a few weeks ago


.................but then again, maybe not, yet

Nothing on the skysports website, been watching skysports news for the last half an hour or so and not seen anything. Anyone got any news?