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Quote: Dave Lister "Not getting defensive, just highlighting the ignorance of some posts and how people, usually flat cappers, are unable to base their opinions on anything other than attendances, a factor which as pointed out, has no adverse effect on other clubs.

Wigan are probably averaging 10k more than Castleford, therefore there really must be little point in Cas existing.

Dumb isn't it?'"


I don't think the majority of RL fans are anti Broncos or even anti excpansionist

I think they,well me anyway are surprised that with such a large catchment area the game at SL level hasn't caught the imagination of Joe Public

before the Broncos initial SL foray I honestly believed the thousands of ex pat northerners down sarf plus a fair smattering of southerners would have flocked to whichever ground in the London area to watch top flight RL but obviously not !


I just find it sad to see a venture like that going down the pan...

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Quote: Dave Lister "It takes 20 minutes to get to Twickenham Station from Waterloo.'"
True, and it's dead handy if you're near Waterloo. Trouble is most of London isn't. And a lot of London isn't near a transport link that will get you to Waterloo quickly.
Quote: Dave Lister "Even if you were coming from Docklands you would struggle to miss kick off.'"
That rather depends on when you're allowed to leave work. Some people in this world work fixed hours.

Quote: Dave Lister "The idea behind that game, although poorly executed, is to attract those that work in London and head out after work. Someone on our forum posted saying he was bringing 10 mates from work to the match.'"
I hope he did bring them and that they enjoyed themselves. My worry is that they saw a poor team performance, a small lack lustre home crowd, no away support, no banter, no atmosphere. Not a great advert for the game.

Quote: Dave Lister "Bleating because the club have tried to do something different...'"
Given that they've played weeknight games in every year I've followed them, how does this constitute 'something different'?

Quote: Dave Lister "...is incredibly short sighted and selfish.'"
I was at the match, heard you gobbing off, east stand block FD I'd estimate. This isn't about me, I'd rather you didn't make it personal.

Quote: Dave Lister "Organise your life better if this impacts you so much.'"
Like I say, some people work fixed hours, they simply cannot 'organise their life better' without compromising their employment.

Quote: Dave Lister "Just imagine if teams played on a Friday night and away fans had to take a half day minimum to make the 250 mile journey.
Oh, wait...'"
This is surely another reason why we should avoid Friday night games.

This is the 17th year I've followed them and I've worked in London all that time.
There are many seasons where the only way I could make a Friday night game would have been to take a days holiday, and in some jobs I didn't have many of those to start with. So my assertion that travel time / logistics are an issue for some people is learned from personal experience.
I am struggling to think of a weekday match I've been to where the crowd wasn't well below the season average.

How many times do we try this before admitting that Friday night games do us no favours?

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It was a Thursday night for starters, and IIRC that has only been attempted once. Yes, it didn't work this time, but nothing works at the moment and that is down to the shambolic running of our club. I doubt many people would have enjoyed themselves on a Sunday, as per the Huddersfield game where the crowd was nearly identical to the Catalans match, impressive considering Catalans bought 0 away supporters and Huddersfield a couple of hundred. So the Catalans match on a Thursday night was in fact better attended than the Huddersfield match, explain that?

The majority of people work 9-5, allowing up to 3 hours for the trek to TW2. Waterloo is a grand total of 13 minutes from Canary Wharf. I can't think of anywhere in Central London that represents a difficult journey to Waterloo considering it is so well connected.

Oh and ironic at you complaining "making it personal", I make a general comment that could be about anyone and in a stalker-like fashion, you identify where I was sitting on Thursday, even though you have never met me.

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Quote: sanjunien "...I think they,well me anyway are surprised that with such a large catchment area the game at SL level hasn't caught the imagination of Joe Public...'"

I think part of the problem here is that the catchment area isn't as big as some might think. London's public transport system is the biggest in the country and great for getting into the central area. Trouble is Twickenham is stuck out in the south west, and unless live near a station on a line that runs through Twickenham, you're journey can often be a long one.

A fast train from Waterloo takes 20 mins, then you need 10-15 mins to walk to the ground, a total of 30-35 mins. Most people in London has a whole load more traveling to get to Waterloo in the first place.
When we talk to away fans most of them say 35 mins is their total traveling time door-door for a home game.
I suspect if you defined 35 mins traveling time as your catchment area, it wouldn't have a huge number of people in it.

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Quote: Dave Lister "Oh and ironic at you complaining "making it personal", I make a general comment that could be about anyone and in a stalker-like fashion, you identify where I was sitting on Thursday, even though you have never met me.'"

I was pointing out that we were both there, and backing it up. Identifying you the block right next to the one to the one I was in is hardly stalker like.
If I'd offered row and seat number you might have a point, although given that I sometimes a struggle to find time for home games I can't see me having time for any of that.

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Quote: Perry "I was pointing out that we were both there, and backing it up. Identifying you the block right next to the one to the one I was in is hardly stalker like.
If I'd offered row and seat number you might have a point, although given that I sometimes a struggle to find time for home games I can't see me having time for any of that.'"


Considering there were only 5 of us in there, I'm still a little worried icon_wink.gif

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Quote: Dave Lister "Considering there were only 5 of us in there, I'm still a little worried
That many?

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we haven't tried Tuesdays yet IIRC......could be the way to go icon_cool.gif

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Quote: Perry "I think part of the problem here is that the catchment area isn't as big as some might think. London's public transport system is the biggest in the country and great for getting into the central area. Trouble is Twickenham is stuck out in the south west, and unless live near a station on a line that runs through Twickenham, you're journey can often be a long one.

A fast train from Waterloo takes 20 mins, then you need 10-15 mins to walk to the ground, a total of 30-35 mins. Most people in London has a whole load more traveling to get to Waterloo in the first place.
When we talk to away fans most of them say 35 mins is their total traveling time door-door for a home game.
I suspect if you defined 35 mins traveling time as your catchment area, it wouldn't have a huge number of people in it.'"



ok, another silly idea maybe (and i'm ready to be shot down) but why not follow the Wasps example and utilise somewhere like Adams Park in Wycombe ? it's easy to get to by car,just a short drive down the motorway with a good P & R system (free) and a decent rail connection from London
would this not be easier for home fans and more practical than being in London itself what with the travelling problems etc ?

I recall when I lived in Normandy watching my local football team (Caen FC) was bedlam at the old stadium in a northern suburb a mile from the centre of the city especially with 20000 fans trying to get around the streets etc - the club built a new stadium about 10 miles out of town on the motorway,next to the airport with good bus links & good car parking etc and it's now a brilliant place to watch football and so easy for all concerned.

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Quote: sanjunien "ok, another silly idea maybe (and i'm ready to be shot down) but why not follow the Wasps example and utilise somewhere like Adams Park in Wycombe ? it's easy to get to by car,just a short drive down the motorway with a good P & R system (free) and a decent rail connection from London
would this not be easier for home fans and more practical than being in London itself what with the travelling problems etc ?

I recall when I lived in Normandy watching my local football team (Caen FC) was bedlam at the old stadium in a northern suburb a mile from the centre of the city especially with 20000 fans trying to get around the streets etc - the club built a new stadium about 10 miles out of town on the motorway,next to the airport with good bus links & good car parking etc and it's now a brilliant place to watch football and so easy for all concerned.'"


I've noticed that Wasps are booming at the moments aren't they...

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attendances for all the London sides playing outside of London (wasps, saracens and london irish) are pretty mediocre at best. i don't think it's the right way to go

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Quote: The Curtism "I've noticed that Wasps are booming at the moments aren't they...'"


dunno ?

I reckon a 7K home average (10K capacity) for a bottom of the table side is excellent - just shows the committment of the Wasps faithful even when the team is on it's knees eusa_clap.gif

I bet the Broncos would cream themselves to get anywhere near that average ! icon_razz.gifRAY:

bit worried about signing Stephen Jones though - watched him at Brive a few days ago and he seemed clueless.... icon_biggrin.gifOH:

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Quote: sanjunien "ok, another silly idea maybe (and i'm ready to be shot down)...'"
I'm just loading some ammo clips on the 2-pounder pom-pom 8.2353515625:5
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