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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



This TV thread is going to sit uncomfortably with some as the season progresses methinx icon_lol.gif

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Quote: gutterfax "This TV thread is going to sit uncomfortably with some as the season progresses methinx d040.gif

Wigan V Hudds was only competing against an Aviva Premiership game on BT Sport and BDO Darts on Eurosport that night FFS

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PHOENIX NIGHTS LEAGUE TABLE - Week 1
1. Premier League Darts 6/2/14 - 284,000
2. Wigan V Huddersfield 7/2/14 - 243,000

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Quote: gutterfax "condescending pr1ck....I can read just fine thanks.

As I said, 47,013 in attendance at the game blows holes in your badly thought out sweeping and incorrect comments.....Water-cooler moments aside It's not at all. Top Premier League clubs like Man City have had to bring in various ticketing and pricing schemes in order to boost cup attendances. I believe Man Utd now forces season ticket holders to buy tickets for their home cup games in all competitions.

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Quote: loiner81 "Not really sure what your point is, are you insinuating the RFL are making up the 353,000 or that someone in the press office made a mistake working out a percentage?'"

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Quote: shinymcshine "Try dropping an email to the RFL press office and see if they can explain it, as this might give the answer, alternatively we can continue to debate without ever actually uncovering anything like the truth.'"

No need.

The BARB figures that have just been released confirm what I suspected all along.

When a RFL press release smells like , that's because it is .

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Quote: loiner81 "The audience was also 288,000 more than tuned in to watch the live Premiership rugby union match, Worcester v Leicester on BT Sport 1, which was watched by 65,200 people – 543 per cent higher - and 293,500 (593 per cent) more than the 59,500 who watched live World Trophy darts on Eurosport.'"

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Him "It's not at all. Top Premier League clubs like Man City have had to bring in various ticketing and pricing schemes in order to boost cup attendances. I believe Man Utd now forces season ticket holders to buy tickets for their home cup games in all competitions.'"

FFS.....
The claim was that the CC and RFL were getting grief for LOW ATTENDANCES and then the poster immediately used City v Chelsea as an example.....unfortunately for them, regardless of if the entire crowd were there on freebies, bussed in from the West Bank or turned up by mistake thinking they were going to an Elton John concert, the Stadium for City v Chelsea was 98.35% full......given the Hard-on on here regarding the RLWC Final that saw Old Trafford 98.33% full, I'd suggest that the CC compares terribly........

Arsenal at 99.11%....there's another poor turn out that proves it's not just the Challenge Cup d040.gif

Yes, Sunderland 33%, Cardiff 63%, Sheffield United 76% and Everton 79% had empty seats......but this is the round of 8 games......let's compare the last 16 in the 2013 Challenge Cup shall we?
Hull FC 30%, London 8%, Sheffield 8%, Huddersfield 46% (let's talk cheap tickets shall we?), Catalan 24%, HKR 43%, Wire 36% and Workington 17%

I'd think the best course of action here would be for you to step away and put down the shovel.

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Quote: gutterfax "FFS.....
The claim was that the CC and RFL were getting grief for LOW ATTENDANCES and then the poster immediately used City v Chelsea as an example.....unfortunately for them, regardless of if the entire crowd were there on freebies, bussed in from the West Bank or turned up by mistake thinking they were going to an Elton John concert, the Stadium for City v Chelsea was 98.35% full......given the Hard-on on here regarding the RLWC Final that saw Old Trafford 98.33% full, I'd suggest that the CC compares terribly........

Arsenal at 99.11%....there's another poor turn out that proves it's not just the Challenge Cup No I think the best course of action here would be for you to grow up and actually debate an issue properly for a change.
Whether the Man City v Chelsea game was a good example or not (in fact it wasn't used as an example in that context anyway) is irrelevant to the actual issue of declining interest in domestic cup competitions.

Do you agree that top Premier League clubs have had to introduce ticketing and pricing schemes specifically to increase cup attendances?
If so, then do you agree that the presence of these schemes at the most popular clubs in the most popular sport in the country indicate a decline in interest in these competitions?
If so, do you agree that is similar to RL?

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Him "No I think the best course of action here would be for you to grow up and actually debate an issue properly for a change. '"

Let's!
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Quote: Him "An interesting point on sports attendance is on show at the moment, despite it being 2 Premiership clubs on show the Stadium Of Light is looking very sparce for a Cup match to be 2 matches from Wembly, Season Ticket only football fans as well it would seem'"


Quote: Him "Exactly. People have been making out the drop in CC attendances is the fault of SL and the RFL but in reality domestic cup competitions don't hold the same appeal anymore.....not just in RL. Man City are playing Chelsea later, nobody is really fussed who wins.....nothing like when the two met in the league a few weeks back. Most of the build-up has centred around Mourinho's mind games over Pellegrini and others and how this would effect the title race. Not that arguably the 2 strongest teams in the country are clashing.'"
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Firstly, let's cover the context issue. Whether anyone gives a toss about the FA cup games is neither here nor there in the context of the quotes used above.
Starbug observed the banks of empty seats and The Printer followed up with an opinion regarding peoples attitudes to the FA cup. These observations are connected as one leads into the other and given the first one was in regards to actual attendances, then the attendance at the City v Chelsea game is valid. Because it doesn't suit your agenda doesn't make it any less so. Hope that clears the context issue up for you.
Now you've introduced "ticket offers" to the mix. Are you saying that cheap tickets offer no long term benefits to those who offer them? Are you saying that to offer them indicates a struggling sport?
I'd suggest you forward your concerns to Red Hall and mark them for the attention of Miss S. Bolton icon_lol.gif

The FACT is that 47,013 people did give a toss....another 60k in London cared and even 30k in Everton could be d....the comparison is flawed because the RL clubs also made offers, but less people gave a toss, cared or could be d.....by a massive amount!

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And they said Richard Lewis wasn't operated on at Roswell.

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Could it simply be that the figures the RFL have provided have come directly from Sky, which are much more likely to be more accurate than BARB, hence the figure about peak viewers?

Isn't BARB based on a select panel of household calculated up to make a figure for what people watch?

As BT Sport is available on the Sky platform, they will be able to provide statistics for their share of how many people watched BT?

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Quote: gutterfax "Let's!
Firstly, let's cover the context issue. Whether anyone gives a toss about the FA cup games is neither here nor there in the context of the quotes used above.
Starbug observed the banks of empty seats and The Printer followed up with an opinion regarding peoples attitudes to the FA cup. These observations are connected as one leads into the other and given the first one was in regards to actual attendances, then the attendance at the City v Chelsea game is valid. Because it doesn't suit your agenda doesn't make it any less so. Hope that clears the context issue up for you.
Now you've introduced "ticket offers" to the mix. Are you saying that cheap tickets offer no long term benefits to those who offer them? Are you saying that to offer them indicates a struggling sport?
I'd suggest you forward your concerns to Red Hall and mark them for the attention of Miss S. Bolton So you couldn't be bothered to discuss it like a grown up then?

How can the context not matter when you even say yourself that Starbug was observing attendance and Printer was discussing attitudes? icon_confused.gif

The problem is you haven't got a clue what the Premier League clubs schemes are. As I said Man Utd, you know that massive sports club that is continually either 1st or 2nd richest in the world, forces season ticket holders to buy cup match tickets.

If the attitude toward the FA Cup was the same as for the Premier League, why did Man Utd introduce this?
Why do Man City have Cup Ticket Schemes specifically designed to increase Cup match attendance?

Can you actually answer these questions?
Or will you just revert to twisting the argument in a desperate attempt to dig yourself out of the hole you're currently in because you jumped in without knowing what the feck you're on about in this case?

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I said when using Man City vs Chelsea is that no one is really fussed by the result. Not that they would get a low attendance.
You've already highlighted something, games at the likes of Arsenal, Man City, also Chelsea, Liverpool, Man Utd will still get near a sell-out just based on their massive fan bases.
Funnily enough before becoming a big player at the top of the table Man City were struggling to hit the 30,000 mark for some home FA Cup games.
You'd only have to read the paper and sports pages online to see the talk was mainly about how the game would effect the Premiership, not the actual competition in question.
In your almost constant need to be on the other side of the fence regarding RL issues I don't think trying to side with the FA Cup is a great idea. Even the Aston Villa manager said this year "many Premier League clubs could do without the distraction of the FA Cup if they were being honest".....they consequently ended up getting knocked on at home by a team 2 divisions below them. Most Premiership teams put out lines-up that they would never put out in the league, goalkeepers are often 'rested' and 2nd choices are picked.

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[quote="dally messenger":1gysl9ow]was watching an nfl doco. on one of their teams and they used the term bomb to describe those long high passes from quaterback to running back and i think gibson took that idea, realized you cant throw the ball forward in RL and adapted it to a "bomb" kick we have[/quote:1gysl9ow] [quote="eels fan":1gysl9ow]You poor poor obsessed fat ex vichyballin potato thieving stoaway.[/quote:1gysl9ow]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_6679.png



Quote: Him "So you couldn't be bothered to discuss it like a grown up then?'"

OOOOHHHH...an insult that is neither cutting nor warranted. Aren't you all grown up.

Quote: Him "How can the context not matter when you even say yourself that Starbug was observing attendance and Printer was discussing attitudes? c020.gif

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