"Better to remain quiet and be thought an idiot, than to type something and prove it"

You had been already buried. Stains were the only team with a reason to get nasty and niggly. Lets not forget, we can only comment on what we saw, cameras don't always confirm a try for example. Yes we can have "benefit of the doubt", but can any of us truely say we know exactly what happened in minites and seconds leading up to the incident. You seem to speak with great authourity Saddo, but i don't recall seeing you on the pitch!! Or maybe you were wearing a Wellens mask, as a soon to be retired centre ran away from a, should be retired fullback.

How good was the touch judge's take on proceedings?

"That Magennis copped him with a right beauty"

Gold.

LMS is a wind-up merchant, he knew what he was doing with Hock, not that there is anything wrong with that. If Hock is serious about playing against the Aussies he needs to grow up because that will be going on in every scrum. As for Magenniss and Tuson, bit of biff, quite entertaining.

C'mon people...For chrissakes.


Its the ultimate on-pitch rivalry outside SOO....Skints onto yet another hiding....Bit of sledging going on.....And a top bit of biff!
Everything a proper derby game should be in Rugby League. God help us all, if our sport is forced to become as boringly sanitised of passion as the roundball game nowadays.
Thaler wanted his moment in the headlines, and completely ruined the game as a spectacle.
Mard @rse decision showing 3 reds, imho.

I'm sure all the Leeds fans watching this will have been delighted. Hock has been in outstanding form and would certainly have caused Leeds some problems. It looks like he'll be watching this one from the stands. Stupid boy!!

You are so critical of others views and tell people to watch the incident again but you seem to not understand what started the incident in the first place... which is obvious to me!

It was not 50/50 headbanging in the scrum, it was numpty Hock who decided, for some reason only known to himself and his few remaining brain cells, to try and take the head from LMS at the scrum. Hock is clearly trying to unlawfully take the outside head at a Saints head and feed, and LMS is quite entitled to try and take the outside head. It then turns into hang bags as Hock continues to dip his head under LMS's to take the outside head and LMS, quite rightly, keeps trying to take it back. When both props then decide enough is enough and stand, it is Hock who takes hold of LMS and starts throwing the punches.

LMS does not do a great deal wrong IMO other than stand up to Hock's stupidity in trying to take the head. Hock quite rightly saw a card, the colour of which is up for debate, but equally I think Hock's actions are worthy of at least a one to two match suspension.... I think LMS will be playing at the weekend and also rightly so!

I think you should take another look!

Lee Mossop: Rule: 15.1(a) Detail – Punching Grade B MRP - Referred to tribunal (1-2 matches)

Chris Tuson: Rule: 15.1(a) Detail – Punching - Sustained Grade C MRP - Referred to tribunal (2-3 matches)

Gareth Hock: Rule: 15.1(a) Detail – Punching Grade B MRP - Referred to tribunal (1-2 matches)

Shaun Magennis: Rule: 15.1(a) Detail – Punching – Violent/Sustained Grade D MRP - Referred to tribunal (3-5 matches)

Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook: Player becomes involved in confrontation with opponent but does not throw punches. MRP - NFA

That's all I can see at the minute!

My prediction -

Lee Mossop: 1 match

Chris Tuson: 3 matches

Gareth Hock: 2 matches (although I think it might only be 1... lets see!)

Shaun Magennis: 4 matches (if they give Tuson 3... if they give Tuson only 2 then I think Magennis will only get 3)

LMS has no case to answer... which is obvious to the unbiased!

Problem is that British league is too influenced by the sport of football, and their over-reactive, think-of-the-children attitudes are infecting our game.

The biff puts nobody off the game. State of Origin is the most watched League game in the world, is that coincidence? I don't think I've seen any fact-based argument for the odd punch-up holding back the sport. It's a claim that people make, but never put weight to.

I also think it hurts us internationally, because when the pressure cooker is turned up our players and fans alike look to the referees to win us the game and referee as soft as they do in SL games, which isn't going to happen.

In the NRL if a minor dust-up like that had 3 players red carded, in a world class derby game of all places, the media and fans would explode with anger and the referee would probably be sent back to reserve grade. I've heard commentators blow up when players are sin binned for a scrap( storm vs dragons- the biff is back, on Youtube)

I don't even believe a red card would have been shown in rugby yawnion, the sport where they eat prawn sandwiches and Pâté on toast at half time

This is where the whole disciplinary system is flawed, at least in terms of the length of bans. Rangi Chase elbows Tangi Ropati, breaking his jaw and ruling him out for months: no on-field action, 3 match ban. Heath L'Estrange spear tackles Jamie Peacock and drops him right on his head, resulting in him leaving the field: John Bateman gets sent of by mistake, 1 match ban. Chris Tuson gets punched from behind and retaliates in kind : straight red card and probable 2-3 match ban. How is that fair?

That's all very nice but I was talking to those people who were wailing about Hocking 'nutting' LMS, or Wigan players holding LMS while Hock laid into him, or Wiganers holding Magennis, or Tuson windmilling all & sundry. It simply didn't happen.

What you describe is what props being props. They try and sneak an advantage, get one over on their opposite number, steal the head, bang heads, etc. In a heated game the scrum is a far from an 'uncontested' place to be.

Yes, in this case Hock started the chain of events. I've not said he didn't. What I did say was at no point did he "nut" anyone, as he was being accused of.

I think you're the one who should take another look. LMS pushes Hock's head to the outside of the scrum and Hock packs down, as does LMS. He then tries to get his head back on the outside, presumably because he realised his mistake and then walks forward into Hock.
It all breaks up, LMS sticks his head in again and then Hock stupidly loses his rag.

It was LMS who pushed Hock's head into the wrong position and then tried to get it back. It's blatantly obvious if you watch it clearly.

Hock was unfortunately daft enough to get wound up by it.