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[quote="Deano G":wqb36lm9]Come to think of it, that Saints side (1992/93) was a better side than the 2006 side and the 2009 side.[/quote:wqb36lm9]:



I think the point being made is; Why did Wigan have to go the RFL for a special dispensation to increase the SC to keep a player, when, by signing more players (and being in discussion with at least one other) AFTER that dispensation was granted, this proves they clearly already had cap space left so therefore did not actually need the dispensation in the first place?

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Quote: Badwanger "I think the point being made is; Why did Wigan have to go the RFL for a special dispensation to increase the SC to keep a player'"

Probably because they'd just lost a player to Union, it was an issue that needed dealing with anyway, and it's not special dispensation at all, it's applied to all clubs who have players that represent England at international level.

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[quote="Deano G":wqb36lm9]Come to think of it, that Saints side (1992/93) was a better side than the 2006 side and the 2009 side.[/quote:wqb36lm9]:



Quote: inside_man "Probably because they'd just lost a player to Union, it was an issue that needed dealing with anyway, and it's not special dispensation at all, it's applied to all clubs who have players that represent England at international level.'"


I agree that Tomkins needed to kept in the sport but, Wigan's recruitment post this special dispensation suggests they didn't need it anyway.

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Surely if we got the rules changed for all the clubs, without needing it ourselves, that's got to be a good thing?

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Quote: inside_man "Probably because they'd just lost a player to Union, it was an issue that needed dealing with anyway, and it's not special dispensation at all, it's applied to all clubs who have players that represent England at international level.'"


It is a special dispensation as Wigan had it shoehorned through to suit them at a time they wanted it. They wanted it, not to keep Tomkins, but to sign the 5 players they've subsequently signed. It's also a bit of a concern than none of Wigan's signings for next season are eligible for England.

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We lost something like 6 players end of last season. Using that money on the cap for Sam Tomkins new deal means we would be 6 players down. We could of just said bye Sam go to union and then England would be a lot worse off.

The extra money that has been dispensated will all be going to Tomkins and the rest of the signings will fit under the cap as normal.

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Quote: Saddened! "It is a special dispensation as Wigan had it shoehorned through to suit them at a time they wanted it. They wanted it, not to keep Tomkins, but to sign the 5 players they've subsequently signed. It's also a bit of a concern than none of Wigan's signings for next season are eligible for England.'"


Im sure Lauaki can switch to England if he wants. icon_lol.gif

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Wigan just re-signed Josh Charnley on an improved contract.
Which country does he play for if its not England?

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I hate to side with the old enemy, but Wigan have lost Jomkins, Hoffman, Deacon, Cross, Coley & Pryce from their playing roster.

Do you think that the signings of Dudson, Flower, a guy called Rhodri and some unemployed teenage kiwi who's never played first grade will be taking up as much salary as the guys that have left?

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Quote: Saddened! "It is a special dispensation as Wigan had it shoehorned through to suit them at a time they wanted it. They wanted it, not to keep Tomkins, but to sign the 5 players they've subsequently signed. It's also a bit of a concern than none of Wigan's signings for next season are eligible for England.'"

Out of interest Saddened, if you are now classing Welsh players as being overseas signings (basically), who did that Legendary player who retired recently and now has a statue at your new stadium play for? Is he home grown?

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Quote: Offside Monkey "I hate to side with the old enemy, but Wigan have lost Jomkins, Hoffman, Deacon, Cross, Coley & Pryce from their playing roster.

Do you think that the signings of Dudson, Flower, a guy called Rhodri and some unemployed teenage kiwi who's never played first grade will be taking up as much salary as the guys that have left?'"


Plus Lauaki, and Tomkins' doubled salary.

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Quote: Offside Monkey "I hate to side with the old enemy, but Wigan have lost Jomkins, Hoffman, Deacon, Cross, Coley & Pryce from their playing roster.
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+ O'Carroll. Who I imagine Dudson is a straight replacement for.

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[quote="Deano G":wqb36lm9]Come to think of it, that Saints side (1992/93) was a better side than the 2006 side and the 2009 side.[/quote:wqb36lm9]:



Quote: Offside Monkey "I hate to side with the old enemy, but Wigan have lost Jomkins, Hoffman, Deacon, Cross, Coley & Pryce from their playing roster.'"


In which case they should have plenty of cap space to accommodate any increase in Tomkins salary.

Quote: Offside Monkey "Do you think that the signings of Dudson, Flower, a guy called Rhodri and some unemployed teenage kiwi who's never played first grade will be taking up as much salary as the guys that have left?'"


That's not the issue. The issue is that these were signed AFTER the dispensation was granted thus indicating that they did not need the special dispensation in the first place!

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Quote: Offside Monkey "I hate to side with the old enemy, but Wigan have lost Jomkins, Hoffman, Deacon, Cross, Coley & Pryce from their playing roster.

Do you think that the signings of Dudson, Flower, a guy called Rhodri and some unemployed teenage kiwi who's never played first grade will be taking up as much salary as the guys that have left?'"



The factsOUT

Hoffman
Coley
Deacon
J Tomkins
O'Carroll
Pryce
Ben Davies


IN

Lauaki
Dudson
Flower
Lloyd (Into the U18's Academy)

Gelling (Rumoured).


IMPROVED CONTRACTS

S. Tomkins (Significant Increase)
Charnley (Unknown)

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[quote="Deano G":wqb36lm9]Come to think of it, that Saints side (1992/93) was a better side than the 2006 side and the 2009 side.[/quote:wqb36lm9]:



Quote: MattyB "The factsOUT

Hoffman
Coley
Deacon
J Tomkins
O'Carroll
Pryce
Ben Davies


IN

Lauaki
Dudson
Flower
Lloyd (Into the U18's Academy)

Gelling (Rumoured).


IMPROVED CONTRACTS

S. Tomkins (Significant Increase)
Charnley (Unknown)'"



Begs the question why you needed the "special dispensation" in the first place........

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