Or alternatively....

Simply bring back P&R with the stipulation expansion teams can't get relegated. Its not ideal but clubs would rather have that than no P&R altogether.

I feel sorry for Cas and Wakey fans. How can someone in a suit play God and decide who he wants in Super League and affecting thousands of peoples lives. Bring back P&R, its not perfect, but its the sporting way.

Old fasioned P&R based solely on performance is outdated and bad business and is therefore bad for the game. Especially when one league is fully pro and one is largely semi-pro. Its one thing that puts us ahead of other major sports in this country and will stand us in good health for years to come.

Why is it sporting to reward a club to that channels all of its dosh into the playing squad and punish those that invest in strengthening all aspects of their RL club?

Hold on a darned minute! We are much better than Castleford; We have a ground! I don't think it holds any argument that we have this idea about Huddersfield being boring, we're boring because we've recieved little attention (to the extent Sky we're using our old badge for 2 years after we replaced it) and we've had our nearest thing to a rival, Halifax, kicked out of Super League. If your going to keep Cas, keep Wakey as well, or kick them both out.



Agreed.

It is bad for clubs that then find it nigh on impossible to attract investement

All it does do is show how weak our sport is compared to most other major sports

tada! We have a winner!
Rugby League, regardless of what some of out learned friends on these boards would try to have you believe is a 3rd rate sport when compared to Soccer and the kick and clap lot. This statement is not based on actual enjoyment, skill levels or even loyalty of supporters...it is based on what an advertiser will pay to have their ad show during an event. The RUWC final featuring England Rugby Union will always attract a higher premium than a 4 nations final featuring England RL.
Not only is the Union game on free to air TV (as are all the other games and they have the full might of free to air promo's in the build up) but the image of league as a flat capped, pigeon fanciers sport will take more than 15 years of SL coverage (2 games, 1 midweek show) to overcome.
Rugby League in the UK is far stronger today than it was in 1994.........it just needs another 15+ years to really kick on! As it is, Namibia v Japan in next years RUWC will probably attract a bigger UK tv audience than England v the Kiwis in October and most definitely a bigger GLOBAL audience....and if you are Procter & Gamble...GLOBAL means exactly that.....not 1 road in the UK and 2 states in Australia.
Lewis is no mug. He has a plan, his organisation turns a profit and he has a long term strategy.....even if it's at the expense of traditional clubs. These clubs on the outside looking in should cut their cloth accordingly, budget for long term growth and apply only when it's impossible for them to be ignored. They will not die.....but they will struggle.......all the while others who are currently at the top table will fall...........and they will get their chance.
IMO that is.

In reality though it just won't work in certain areas. E.g. you could create a mega-successful SL team in Glasgow but attendances would always be poor because it's been a football city for so long and always will be.

Likewise you could create a club in London, give them 30 years of 2nd chances, a wealthy tycoon who gets them to a CC Final and they still wouldn't sell out their allocation in their own city against a club like say Leeds - there just isn't the interest there.

You miss the KEY point of the exercise now!!

It's not bums on seats it's eyes on the box and whose eyes they are.

Mo & Ron Ball's game attracts the large audiences but does not always attract the large advertising premiums.

It's about advertising.

Yeah but what are the (average) viewing figures in London compared to everywhere else? Low I would imagine!

A. Not a hope in hell.

b. Wouldn`t that be a bit confusing for Tigers supporters?


My 14 in no particular order.
Saints
Wire
Leeds
Hull F.C.
Hull K.R.
Cas
Wigan
Widnes
Fax
Salford
Wakey
Bradford
Huddersfield
Fev

SL1
Bradford
Leeds
Wigan
Saints
Hull
Hull KR
Cas
Wakey
Widnes
Wire
Catalans
Hudds
Barrow

SL2
Quins
Crusaders
Oldham
Fax
Fev
York
Haven
Workington
Leigh
Salford
Toulouse
Skolars

Top two go up
bottom two go down

SL1 to keep play offs (top5)

[uSuper League Premiership[/u

Eastern Conference
Wigan Warriors
St Helens
Widnes Vikings
Warington Wolves
South Wales Scorpions (Relocated to Cardiff/Llanelli/Newport/Bridgend)
Crusaders
Reds (Based in Salford, but Renamed Reds to appeal to a bigger audience)
Barrow Raiders (move to either Carlisle/Renovate)

Western Conference
Leeds Rhinos
Huddersfield Giants
Hull
Hull KR
Bradford Bulls
Halfiax Blue Sox
Catalans Dragons
Toulouse Olympique

Play-Offs
Qualifiers:
Winner Each Conference
Runners Up Each Conference
One 'Wildcard' Place (3rd Western vs 3rd Eastern)

[uWeek One[/u
1. Winner Western vs Winner Eastern
2. Loser Game 1 vs Wildcard
3. Runner Up Western vs Runner Up Eastern

[iWinner Game 1 recieves bye to the final[/i

[uWeek Two[/u
4. Winner Game 2 vs Winner Game 3

[iWinner Goes through to the final[/i

[uWeek Three[/u
Winner Game 1 vs Winner Game 4

[uGame Schedule[/u
3 x Derby Match (Home/Away/Manchester Magic)
2 x Regular Match from Your Own Conference (Home/Away)
1 x Regular Match from 4 Clubs in Other Conference (seeded)
19 x Matches.

[uPoints System[/u
Win Over 30 Points, 3 Points
Win Under 30 Points, 2 Points
Win After Golden Point, 2 Points
Loss After Golden Point, 1 Point
Loss by Under 4 Points, 1 Point
Loss by Over 4 Points, 0 Points

Super League Championship

Fetherstone Rovers
Blackpool Panthers
Leigh Centurions
Keighley Cougars
Wakefield Wildcats
Dublin Raiders
Stade Francais
Fulham Lions
Whitehaven
Workington Town
Hunslet Hawks
Sheffield Eagles
Batley Bulldogs
Dewsbury Rams

Play Each Other Home/Away, top 8 go through to play off, like in SL now.