Are you on drugs ?

This is the bit you didn't read properly



You see the problem is you assume things that are not there

Read and digest the information before replying

Widnes by the way did not bancrupt themselves in one season

The rental agreement on the Halton stadium was unworkable outside SL , the only way out of it was the course of action taken

They now have a better deal suited for whichever level of competition they are in

Wow, revisionist history of the highest order.

Just because you keep saying it doesn't make it true

I thought on the other forum that you never mentioned Widnes, you love us really

Are you tb's bitch or something

You jumped into a discussion without realising who or what you were arguing about and all you have done is copied what tb said

If you dont know what you are arguing about dont enter said argument

Then again you like tb dont actually answer any simple questions but instead try to come across as being ' cleverer ' than the rest

But unfortunatley it doesn't work

Fair assessment

No, seriously, you believe what you want, clearly facts and reality have no bearing on your opinions.

I'll leave you to stew in your own bitterness, blaming others for your clubs failiurs and shortcomings.

In the meantime, decent clubs will get on with it and achieve something.

You're doing it again

Stop it , it'll become a habit , I'm telling you

Did I dream Starbug saying Leigh were crap and rightly went down or not?



Widnes finished 2nd bottom and were relegated, which in any other year would not have happened. This second relegation spot was generated to allow the French in as well as whoever won the NL GF.

Whilst being the rules at the time, they are also the facts; nothing there which rewrites history.

To claim that Widnes only went bust to enable them to rewrite an unfavourable rental agreement

[rather than because their board spent money they didn't have to maintain a squad they couldn't afford, gambling the entire existence of the club on winning one game of rugby (in the hope of using the next year's TV money to repay the deliberate holes they'd left in their finances and lied to the RFL about as part of the promotion assessment) – and losing that gamble]

though …


that's blatant rewriting of history.


Whingeing about being relegated because you finished in a relegation position, after accepting that 11th was a relegation position at the start of the season: that's just sour grapes and deliberate victimhood*. More so when you're doing it on behalf of somebody else.

Ignoring the role of Leigh's SL and full time adventure in the 'financial restructuring' (I think that was the phrase at the time?) that followed shortly after is either wishful thinking, deliberate amnesia, or rewriting of history, mind.













* and of course, I speak as a fan of a club who was rightly relegated after finishing 11th, because that was the relegation spot, and we'd signed up to it at the start of the 2006 season.

Then you need to see a doctor. You're either suffering amnesia or the onset of dementia.

Our chairman/sugar daddy walked out on the first game of the season. The whole squad recruitment was based on him staying with the club, when he dropped out we had two choices. To continue and play for Super League and pay off our debts that way or to drastically reduce our wage bill and risk re-building a whole squad mid-season. Not wildly different from what you described but it's worth noting the circumstances of the time. We didn't just go out and spend what we knew we couldn't pay for, we spent as we thought we could pay for so long as our sugar daddy paid the bill (something the RFL don't seem to be wildly against I might add). Yes it was a mistake to continue and a huge gamble which didn't come off but it wasn't as reckless and clear cut as you made out.

In the run-up to the GF you managed to assure the RFL of your financial soundness as part of the promotion asssessment. Having assured everybody you were 'sound as a pound' – the day after the GF you (ie the people in charge) wound up the club and sacked your entire playing staff without notice. Reckless and clear cut I'd say.

Fortunately, you found someone prepared to rescue the club and get it back up and running again before the following season.

That doesn't alter the recklessness of gambling the entire existence of the club on one night in October and losing – which was a betrayal of the players, and all the other employees of the club, and more importantly the fans. And of both the short and medium term future of the club … without that failed gamble, I've no doubt Widnes would have been in a much stronger position to mount an SL bid from NL1 (if not necessarily from within SL) in 2008.

The authors of the misfortunes of Widnes RLFC in 2007/8 are no-one other than Widnes RLFC.

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