I seriously think we'll do better than last season.

I know that isn't hard but think once we've sorted our home ground out we'll see a marked improvement. Our back line is looking a lot better and our forwards held their own on more than one occasion last season.

Bring it on you Northern Monkeys (apologies as I temporarily forgot the French and Cockney Monkeys).

But aren't you now North Welsh-nearly English Monkeys?

No just supporting a team who are rumoured to be based their next season.

Never say die - if the existing clubs go bump then get yourself at the front of the queue to set up a community club of your own and keep the good fight going.

Yes, we'd talked about it before this new Bridgend club emerged but now we seem to have two who will start next season.

Fingers crossed the Crusaders can pull through this very bad spell and be stronger for it. I hope the Bridgend club lays decent foundations and takes its time in getting it right also.

it wouldnt, but it would cost more than not having them

if we accept that the aim of the crusaders was to be a viable super league entity, and we are practical enough to accept that they werent going to be breaking even in the lower leagues whilst waiting for SL, then extra time in the championships is an extra cost,

what would they gain from this extra cost?

It is the aim of a number of Championship clubs to be a viable Super League entity.

The fact that they may be losing money in their current station isn't a compelling reason to fast-track them to the top flight.

nobody said it was,

im asking what the benefit is to keeping them in the championship?

Seems to me that part of their problem is down to the fact that they DID spend hundreds of thousands on semi-pro players, when sadly they were in the SL and needed some who were a bit better.

i fully agree, and its a point i have been trying to make with regards to the proposed Paris club and also the current position Toulouse are in

spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on winning the championship will have very little benefit for them or other clubs,

i would rather see Toulouse spending £30k on another development officer or junior coach than on a 30 year old player who will play in the first team for a couple of years then leave when they move up to SL

Do you need "to give them a chance" when they don't even have 17 players?

It's hardly an insight to say that this isn't a good thing.

The most obvious would be a chance to build up a larger supporter base and blood more welsh youngsters, so that those youngsters could hit the ground running in sl.

I was pretty split about whether the crusaders should come up this time, but i'm leaning towards the idea that they should have waited till the next franchise as i think that would have seen them lay more solid foundations and allow them to be better on and off the filed when they got to sl.

Id doesnt matter know though, they have a licence and everything possible must be done to ensure they survive (and the new club flourishes(sp)).

And that is precisely the reason why you are not worth debating anything with.

Fwiw i attended my club's fans forum and squad night on tuesday and was in awe of the people i listened to speaking about the long term plans for our club. I'm looking forward to continuing the journey that they have started in Widnes and another two years of success in a vibrant competition.

Widnes fans have nothing to be bitter about. We've moved on. It's about time people like you did the same rather than trotting out that same tired and ill informed opinion of us just because people like me disagree with your opinion.

I suggest you refrain from getting personal and making this into a mindless rant about bitter flatcappers.