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Quote: Fieldheadrhino "Brough is either 9/10 or 2/10 match rating type player compared to Sinny who is a 8/10 rated player at is peak and 6/10 rated player on a off day. Therefore if I had to pick one of them it would Sinny each and every week.
As for Brough being selected for England, it's a big NO from me, as he as already played international rugby league for Scotland.'"


What was his rating at Hudds icon_wink.gif

I don't agree with the argument he is too small for 13 I don't agree with, he misses very few tackles but has good ball handling skills for a 13.

He is too slow for a 6 and I don't think has good enough passing skills for a 6. He hit the first man nearly everytime against Hudds.

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Has Sam Burgess been playing 13? Of the 2 Sam would hurt the Aussies more than 'Sir Kev'. So that leaves no room for Sinfield other than waterboy. He'd probably still get MOM doing that though.

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Quote: Bull Mania "What was his rating at Hudds
Brough was around a 7/10 on Sat, he wasn't the reason they won, Lunt and Crabtree were far more influential and neither of them bombed an overlap by throwing the ball behind the centre and winger into the stands.

Ponner your wit is about as high as your knowledge of RL.

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Quote: christopher "Brough was around a 7/10 on Sat, he wasn't the reason they won, Lunt and Crabtree were far more influential and neither of them bombed an overlap by throwing the ball behind the centre and winger into the stands.

Ponner your wit is about as high as your knowledge of RL.'"

Awww bless. Try watching some rugby league once in a while c020.gif

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Quote: PONNER "Awww bless. Try watching some rugby league once in a while

Ahhh the animated smiley reply, intelligent and funny as always.

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Quote: Bull Mania "
I don't agree with the argument he is too small for 13 I don't agree with, he misses very few tackles but has good ball handling skills for a 13.'"
If you pick Sinfield at 13, then you're picking a playing format that uses 3 half backs and would [i probably[/i split your 6 and 7 left and right. That would essentially mean taking to the field with a 5 man pack - that is not the way to go about things IMO. If we could be confident of beating the Aussies in the forwards, then maybe, but we need all the muscle we can and dropping someone like Ben Westwood for a guy who "misses very few tackles" is not a wise move.

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Quote: Offside Monkey "If you pick Sinfield at 13, then you're picking a playing format that uses 3 half backs and would [i probably[/i split your 6 and 7 left and right. That would essentially mean taking to the field with a 5 man pack - that is not the way to go about things IMO. If we could be confident of beating the Aussies in the forwards, then maybe, but we need all the muscle we can and dropping someone like Ben Westwood for a guy who "misses very few tackles" is not a wise move.'"


True but I just cannot see McNamara dropping Sinfield and I would rather have him at 13 than 6.

Although I will be absolutely gobsmacked if Sinfield isn't our stand off come the WC, even if we lost to the exiles.

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I think a key thing Sinfield has over Widdop is that he's over here in the UK. He's here for the training camps and get togethers and for the Exiles game. Its one thing for your forwards to come back from the NRL and slot in but like many have said, 6 is so key to your team I think its important that McNarmara get to see and meet and talk to him as much as possible and Sinfield does with the core of the squad.

For me its too late to switch the heartbeat of your team for 2 guys who've either not played much for England or played a different. McNarmara nor anybody can truely know it Brough/Widdop would even gel until you got to the actual tournament and the chances of them clicking straight away must be slim.

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Quote: ThePrinter "I think a key thing Sinfield has over Widdop is that he's over here in the UK. He's here for the training camps and get togethers and for the Exiles game. Its one thing for your forwards to come back from the NRL and slot in but like many have said, 6 is so key to your team I think its important that McNarmara get to see and meet and talk to him as much as possible and Sinfield does with the core of the squad.

For me its too late to switch the heartbeat of your team for 2 guys who've either not played much for England or played a different. McNarmara nor anybody can truely know it Brough/Widdop would even gel until you got to the actual tournament and the chances of them clicking straight away must be slim.'"


spot on and this is the reason i feel it will be Sinfield (who is certain to start at 6 no matter how much people moan on here) and Chase as half backs come the start of the WC.

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Quote: Biff Tannen "spot on and this is the reason i feel it will be Sinfield (who is certain to start at 6 no matter how much people moan on here) and Chase as half backs come the start of the WC.'"


WELL THAT IS THE END OF ENGLANDS CHANCES OF WINNING THE WORLD CUP.

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Quote: Durham Giant "WELL THAT IS THE END OF ENGLANDS CHANCES OF WINNING THE WORLD CUP.'"


Put it in caps, that'll convince everyone you're right.

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Quote: Durham Giant "WELL THAT IS THE END OF ENGLANDS CHANCES OF WINNING THE WORLD CUP.'"


Yes, a recent MOS winner and the current Golden Boot holder, what a nightmare choice.

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Quote: christopher "Yes, a recent MOS winner and the current Golden Boot holder, what a nightmare choice.'"

When did he win Man Of Steal?

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Quote: PONNER "When did he win Man Of Steal?'"



Chase won it in 2011, I really thought you would have known that with your superior RL knowledge and all that.

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Quote: Andy Gilder "So if Leeds have been successful by building a team around Sinfield to allow him to do what he does best, why can't England do the same?

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This is part of the point i am trying to make - at Leeds he has been the leader of the same group of players more or less for 10+ years or whatever, he knows everyone of them and their game inside out, therefore as their captain can utilise those players around him to help the team tick.....in any other team be it Salford, Melbourne, England, Emley Moor he wouldn't have the luxury of having guys around him who he knows inside out and therefore would have to adapt to play with them.

England cannot build a side around Sinfield simply because he is not the best player England have, he is playing in a team with other leaders, more creative players, flair players etc plus International teams dont get the same time to build as club sides...hence Sinfield has had years to develop his leadership skills over THOSE players who have been around him.

He is good at what he does AT Leeds with THOSE players but its a different kettle of fish were talking about. We need the best players in their best positions at the World Cup and in my ,and many others opinion Sinfield is not the best player in that position.

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