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Quote: bramleyrhino "So would you be happier with a deal involving Barclays, who have been at the centre of one of a huge rate manipulation scandal? What about an agreement with Standard Chartered - you know, those who were involved in $250bn worth of laundering deals with Iran? Maybe a deal with RBS, who needed £45bn of government support, could be on the cards? Or perhaps Bradford could have struck up a deal with someone like HBOS or Northern Rock - the sorts of businesses that pushed 110% mortgages and encouraged people into years - even decades - of negative equity?

Oh, and then there is pretty much every other high street bank that charges excessive fees and charges for exceeding overdrafts by nominal amounts.

There are a hell of a lot of reasons why the likes of Provident, Wonga and the like are thriving - and Bradford Bulls are not one of them. What I do know is that it isn't Bradford Bulls' or the RFL's place to decide what business models are right and which ones are wrong.'"



Actually, it is for clubs to decide which sponsors they wish to align themselves to.
We are in a difficult financial climate at present and things are unlikely to improve in the short term but, the question is this.
If you had a choice between a blue chip sponsor or a loan company who profit from exploiting the poor and needy, who would you choose.
This tells us all we need to know.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Actually, it is for clubs to decide which sponsors they wish to align themselves to.
We are in a difficult financial climate at present and things are unlikely to improve in the short term but, the question is this.
If you had a choice between a blue chip sponsor or a loan company who profit from exploiting the poor and needy, who would you choose.
This tells us all we need to know.'"


You can probably find something wrong with any business. Can you suggest some potential large sponsors that have no grounds for criticism?

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Quote: Richie "You can probably find something wrong with any business. Can you suggest some potential large sponsors that have no grounds for criticism?'"


I think that is poor comment "Richie"
So where would you put this type of business on your prefered sponsor list ?

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Quote: wrencat1873 "I think that is poor comment "Richie"
So where would you put this type of business on your prefered sponsor list ?'"


Suggest some alternatives.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "Actually, it is for clubs to decide which sponsors they wish to align themselves to.
We are in a difficult financial climate at present and things are unlikely to improve in the short term but, the question is this.
If you had a choice between a blue chip sponsor or a loan company who profit from exploiting the poor and needy, who would you choose.
This tells us all we need to know.'"


Sactimonious, self-opinionated, pious and almost certainly hypocrite. And making statements bordering on actionable. And hardly the only one.

Funny, isn't it, how much of the vitriol on this subject seems to spew from certain Wakey and Shudds fans? They might say they are not being partisan, but few others are likely to believe them. We saw their true colours when Bulls did not roll over and die as they had expected.

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Quote: wrencat1873 "If you had a choice between a blue chip sponsor or a loan company who profit from exploiting the poor and needy, who would you choose.'"


We don't know that Bradford Bulls had that choice (and my guess is that they didn't).

It's certainly not Bradford Bulls' place to decide what their audience should and shouldn't be doing with their money.

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Quote: Adeybull "Sactimonious, self-opinionated, pious and almost certainly hypocrite. And making statements bordering on actionable. And hardly the only one.

Funny, isn't it, how much of the vitriol on this subject seems to spew from certain Wakey and Shudds fans? They might say they are not being partisan, but few others are likely to believe them. We saw their true colours when Bulls did not roll over and die as they had expected.'"


Don't hold back Adey, say what you really think !
The level of sponsorship is indeed excellent and i'm sure that you will indeed be happy with it !

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Quote: Adeybull "Sactimonious, self-opinionated, pious and almost certainly hypocrite. And making statements bordering on actionable. And hardly the only one.

Funny, isn't it, how much of the vitriol on this subject seems to spew from certain Wakey and Shudds fans? They might say they are not being partisan, but few others are likely to believe them. We saw their true colours when Bulls did not roll over and die as they had expected.'"


You are quite a piece of work, aren't you?

Putting the Bully in the Bulls.

You did it throughout the crisis threads and you continue now.

Cut the insults and shouting down...try debating your points with reasoned arguments and see where that leads.

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Quote: bramleyrhino "We don't know that Bradford Bulls had that choice.

It's certainly not Bradford Bulls' place to decide what their audience should and shouldn't be doing with their money.'"


Indeed.

But, funnily enough, Provident IS a blue-chip sponsor. As well as being one of Bradford's largest and longest-established employers, It is a FTSE-250 company, and IIRC at one time scraped into the FTSE-100. And its main shareholders are blue-chip pension and life offices and funds like Invesco, L&G and Prudential. So, many on here with a personal pension or life policy are probably invested in them.

Would we rather have a "blue-chip" sponsor like, say, RBS? The "blue-chip" company whose actions precipitated the Bulls' collapse in the first place? Hard one, that.

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Quote: dboy "Cut the insults and shouting down...try debating your points with reasoned arguments and see where that leads.'"


Go look on the Bulls forum. I exposed the blatant hypocrisy of one particular poster on there. I just shot down another fallacious argument above. And, in the example you quoted, I merely expressed my opinion on how the poster came across. If I really wanted to resort to insults, you'd know about it.

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its all some one else's fault, RBS withdrew the over draft so its there fault not the Bulls, when you spend money you don't have you go bust, most of the time don't blame RBS, & because your new Sponsor's are a blue chip company, means nothing, they make there money by charging massive rates of interest to those who have very little, if they are so great you should have taken out a lone with them to pay your debts off instead of walking away from them, and seemingly very happy about it,

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Quote: frank5613 "No its a company what charges people that cannot get loans or credit a mer 4000+% interest, id rather it was a beer company, fag, or glass company, but its only a company who rips people off who cannot do nothing about it, but so long as that part of the business is kept quiet its a great sponsorship'"


What does it matter?

No one forces you to take out one of their loans, just as no-one forces you to support Bradford. Which is great, as most people wouldn't want to do either.

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Quote: frank5613 "its all some one else's fault, RBS withdrew the over draft so its there fault not the Bulls, when you spend money you don't have you go bust, most of the time don't blame RBS, & because your new Spencer's are a blue chip company, means nothing, they make there money by charging massive rates of interest to those who have very little, if they are so great you should have taken out a lone with them to pay your debts off instead of walking away from them, and seemingly very happy about it,'"


...er, you mean precisely what those poor disadvantaged people who the holier-than-though hypocrites on here are so keen to defend do? They can't pay their bills, but its not their fault? Bulls can't pay their bills, it (and rightly) IS their fault? Bit of a contradiction there, old son?

And anyway, the rest of your drivel shows you clearly do not have the first idea what you are talking about.

By the way, has anyone seen me defending the Provident business model, or saying I think they are a great company? No, you have not. I dislike the business they are in, and wish there was no call for it. But the demand will always be there, regardless of whether you eliminate the largest legitimate and regulated sources of supply. Take out the likes of Provident, and the vacuum would be filled by unlicensed, unregulated loan sharks who tend to resort to enforcement methods that are not available to proper businesses. Some of the sanctimonious lecturers on here would do well to be mindful of the law of unexpected consequences, and be careful what they wish for. if, of course, they are in any way being genuine and not just taking the opportunity to have another shot at Bradford.

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Quote: ROBINSON "What does it matter?

No one forces you to take out one of their loans, just as no-one forces you to support Bradford. Which is great, as most people wouldn't want to do either.'"


icon_lol.gif must admit, that made me laugh! icon_thumb.gif

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Quote: Adeybull "icon_lol.gif must admit, that made me laugh!
Its good to see that the Horlicks has kicked in, though you were going to burst a blood vessel !
I have to admit not knowing the size and scale of your clubs new sponsor, so apologies for that and it is one hell of a figure (£1.2 million).
However, in the same way that the RFL didnt want Betfair, there is always a choice chillpill.gif

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