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| Quote PHIPPS="PHIPPS"If I was in charge of a department where we evaluated new products that would be on general sale to the public and someone presented a product to me that consisted of rolled plant leaves with about 500 psychoactively addictive additives (many of which had carcinogenic properties) and told me that allegedly each one would reduce the users lifespan by 10 minutes I think I would consider it to be a little more than 'nannyism' when I blocked the sale and production of them.'"
Yet it would be exactly nannyism. Pointing out that something is harmful doesn't make it's prohibition something other than nannyism, it just means you agree with that nannyism because of that risk, and believe forcing people to abstain (via removal of a product or punishment for those who do not abstain) is the right thing to do for their own good. The issue (in my opinion anyway) isn't the risk attached to any behaviour but the question of wherein lies the jurisdiction over a person's body - with the individual or the state?
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA""dan1978uk" wrote
"But" it was on the banned list. And they were reprimanded and fined so something about it was wrong.
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| Quote dan1978uk="dan1978uk""But" it was on the banned list. And they were reprimanded and fined so something about it was wrong.'"
Well you have pretty much answered your own question, they were fined a tiny amount for taking a small amount of a cold cure and declaring it to the authorities. Hock regularly did cocaine and was only caught through random testing. Understandably people have looked upon these two differing events, differently.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA"Hock regularly did cocaine'"
Quite a statement. Any proof?
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| Quote Cronus="Cronus"Quite a statement. Any proof?'"
Hock himself said so in his interview with the news of the world.
His words [i"I am glad I have been caught because I'd have probably kept on doing it if not. Now something good will come out of it.
"It's easy to say you'll stop, but not easy to do it unless something like this happens - now I know I'll never do it again."[/i
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| Quote warrior24="warrior24"Your y team welcomed Andrew Johns with open arms did they not? But that's OK I suppose because he was an NRL legend? Also your team signed a young player who was arrested for posession of drugs, but that's OK because he was young and vulnerable.
Not to mention Morley's driving ban and Mr Briers who's snorted more beak than Tony Montana.
Warrington are the dog s[ihi[/it on the shoe of rugby league.'"

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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA""dan1978uk" wrote
Only declared as they were getting tested.....
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| Quote dan1978uk="dan1978uk"Only declared as they were getting tested.....'"
Yes, which is when they were asked had you take anything, they said yeah, we took some over the counter cold medicine which were told was fine. The RFL said "These cases do not represent a widespread problem in rugby league, but we do feel it is important to clarify issues relating to ephedrine so that all players and relevant personnel have the maximum amount of information to guide them in this important area,"
and WADA describe Ephedrine [ias a "specified substance" that is "particularly susceptible to unintentional anti-doping violations"[/i in fact, they were caugh during a tri-nations in which Australia flat out refused to include Ephedrine on their list of banned substances.
There is, and was however, no question regarding the legality of admitted regular use of cocaine
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| how are you messing up quotations dan??? its not hard....lol
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| He's not a cheat, as Cocaine isn't performance enhancing, but he's an idiot. However he's served his sentence, so just move on and let it go. Other sports stars come back from drugs ban without any hassle.
Though the one thing that bugs me was that he was allowed to train with Wigan during his suspension.
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| Quote SmokeyTA="SmokeyTA""dan1978uk" wrote
It's not performance enhancing though is it? And I think there's more to it but that irrelevant.
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| Quote Pinkerton="Pinkerton"He's not a cheat, as Cocaine isn't performance enhancing, but he's an idiot. However he's served his sentence, so just move on and let it go. Other sports stars come back from drugs ban without any hassle.
Though the one thing that bugs me was that he was allowed to train with Wigan during his suspension.'"
Do you want to clarify that?
All of his suspension or the last 4/6 weeks?
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