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| Continue to tackle around the legs? Yes, I'm sure he will.
I feel like I'm living in a parallel universe. I didn't think he did anything wrong at the game on Saturday, I didn't see anything to change my mind re-watching the game on Sunday and I still don't see anything wrong with it now despite the hysteria.
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| Quote: Nozzy "Continue to tackle around the legs? Yes, I'm sure he will.
I feel like I'm living in a parallel universe. I didn't think he did anything wrong at the game on Saturday, I didn't see anything to change my mind re-watching the game on Sunday and I still don't see anything wrong with it now despite the hysteria.'"
The issue isn't tackling the legs, why are you being so childish about it? It's the force and directness and the angle he's doing it from. He's spearing his body into the knee joint and the chances of it causing injury are horrendously high, the knee has nowhere to go and it cannot bend in that direction. Players simply don't tackle like that. Again, I'm not bothered about banning him, I couldn't care less, but we can't be encouraging tackles like that. It's madness.
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| Quote: Saddened! "He's explaining why it isn't against the rules, there's a difference there. I'm not calling for him to be banned. I'm calling for him to not tackle like that. It will cause injury in 100% of the times it's used. He's just speared his body at the knee joint, there's no attempt in either of them to tackle properly. This talk of wrapping and it being a perfect tackle is nonsense, the intent is to throw his shoulder through his knee, the only debate is whether that's fully intentional or just out of desperation. Either way, there's no justification for it. I've got a DM on Twitter from another referee slaughtering Silverwood for elements of that post. He also makes the same ridiculous links to Morgan Knowles as justification for it, so his opinion is as warped as a lot of the Leigh fans.
If it's a perfectly fine tackle and there's no issues with it, Asiata will continue to do it? It's clearly very effective, so why not. I bet you he doesn't attempt anything remotely like that again this season. He'll have been told not to by Leigh.'"
Because of Wellens bringing the game into disrepute, and death threats as well.
Your club should be utterly ashamed of this, and should be punished and fined.
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| Quote: Cokey "]]
Because of Wellens bringing the game into disrepute, and death threats as well.
Your club should be utterly ashamed of this, and should be punished and fined.'"
You're so far off it's unreal. Wellens has been forced to speak out. It needs speaking about. Four players injured in one game, two with very serious injuries. The sport needs to be talking about the nature of those tackles, or it'll have real problems on it's hands. If he's as proud of the technique as you seem to be, I'd be very surprised. I think he'll be regretting it now, outside the heat of the game. Internally Leigh will know they weren't great tackles and hopefully they'll sort it. But you can't expect Wellens to just sit quiet and watch that go unresolved.
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| Quote: Saddened! "You're so far off it's unreal. Wellens has been forced to speak out. It needs speaking about. Four players injured in one game, two with very serious injuries. The sport needs to be talking about the nature of those tackles, or it'll have real problems on it's hands. If he's as proud of the technique as you seem to be, I'd be very surprised. I think he'll be regretting it now, outside the heat of the game. Internally Leigh will know they weren't great tackles and hopefully they'll sort it. But you can't expect Wellens to just sit quiet and watch that go unresolved.'"
To come out with a statement like that is showing more desperation, and i thought you were better than that.
It looks like you honestly believe that Asiata deliberately went in purposely to injure Paasi. That really is insane.
Look the outcome is unfortunate, and i sincerely hope they make a super quick recovery, however, if we are not careful, the game could end up going in an awkward direction. For me,Wellens has done this in a very unprofessional manner regarding all of this.
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| Quote: Saddened! "You're so far off it's unreal. Wellens has been forced to speak out. It needs speaking about. Four players injured in one game, two with very serious injuries. The sport needs to be talking about the nature of those tackles, or it'll have real problems on it's hands. If he's as proud of the technique as you seem to be, I'd be very surprised. I think he'll be regretting it now, outside the heat of the game. Internally Leigh will know they weren't great tackles and hopefully they'll sort it. But you can't expect Wellens to just sit quiet and watch that go unresolved.'" Strange he has not spoken up before now is it not?
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| Quote: Cokey "To come out with a statement like that is showing more desperation, and i thought you were better than that.
It looks like you honestly believe that Asiata deliberately went in purposely to injure Paasi. That really is insane.
Look the outcome is unfortunate, and i sincerely hope they make a super quick recovery, however, if we are not careful, the game could end up going in an awkward direction. For me,Wellens has done this in a very unprofessional manner regarding all of this.'"
Is it insane? What does he think will happen if he spears his bodyweight through someone's knee from the front/side? He's clearly injured Walmsley minutes earlier and does the same thing again? One in isolation and there wouldn't be so much focus on this. I keep asking, what do you expect Wellens to do? I guarantee every coach in Super League makes a statement there. Two serious injuries, one of which Jon Wilkin has said today is career ending on Sky. And you think Wellens is unprofessional for questioning if the RFL have got this right? Everyone saw the tackles, what harm is there in questioining the RFL's response to the technique?
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| Quote: MjM "Strange he has not spoken up before now is it not?'"
What are you on about? Name a similar tackle this season. There aren't any. I can't honestly say I've ever seen a player make a tackle that recklessly or it would have been an issue before now.
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| Quote: Saddened! "Is it insane? What does he think will happen if he spears his bodyweight through someone's knee from the front/side? He's clearly injured Walmsley minutes earlier and does the same thing again? One in isolation and there wouldn't be so much focus on this. I keep asking, what do you expect Wellens to do? I guarantee every coach in Super League makes a statement there. Two serious injuries, one of which Jon Wilkin has said today is career ending on Sky. And you think Wellens is unprofessional for questioning if the RFL have got this right? Everyone saw the tackles, what harm is there in questioining the RFL's response to the technique?'"
He's done a video press interview causing all this hysteria, hence Asiata receiving death threats as well.
ATEOTD - The tackle was not illegal,and yes i honestly believe he had no intention to cause injury.
BTW - Mr Wilkin is a biased $hithou$e, and the sooner he's removed from tv duties the better.
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| Quote: Cokey "He's done a video press interview causing all this hysteria, hence Asiata receiving death threats as well. '"
The link between him complaining about the RFL's handling of two very serious incidents and Asiata receiving death threats are just wrong. If he has received threats that reflects only on the mentality and character of those that have sent them. There was very little about Asiata in the interviews, most of it was aimed at the RFL and their handling of it.
He's perfectly entitled to talk about issues in the game. Especially ones that have been handled so poorly by the RFL. Is Rohan Smith a disgrace as well? Does he need a fine?
I'll leave it there as you're clearly not even looking at any aspect of this with anything other than blind backing of your side. To not be able to see there is an issue with the technique is bizarre, but I'm not going to convince you otherwise.
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72483_1397997052.jpg [b:90hulqic][color=#BF0040:90hulqic]The only reason they look up to you is because they chose to kneel.[/color:90hulqic][/b:90hulqic]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_72483.jpg |
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| Quote: MjM "Strange he has not spoken up before now is it not?'"
You mean he didn’t criticise a tackling technique that injured 4 players in the same game before the tackling technique injured 4 players in the same game? Geez you’re right, that is strange
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24148_1315916334.jpg [quote="OFFTHECUFF":1xb0p6sn] Wish i could watch a team like Leigh. [/quote:1xb0p6sn]
[quote="Steve":1xb0p6sn] Dislike Leigh with a passion, but they are a million miles ahead of any other club in this league, a sad fact. [/quote:1xb0p6sn]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_24148.jpg |
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| Jesus wept Saddened. Take a breath.
He hasn't "Speared his bodyweight through someones knee"
He's tackled somebody hard around the legs in a last ditch, try-saving effort.
It was brave, determined defence.
I've every sympathy for any injuries but it wasn't illegal, it wasn't pre meditated and this over reaction is coming across as increasingly ridiculous.
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| Quote: Nozzy "Jesus wept Saddened. Take a breath.
He hasn't "Speared his bodyweight through someones knee"
He's tackled somebody hard around the legs in a last ditch, try-saving effort.
It was brave, determined defence.
I've every sympathy for any injuries but it wasn't illegal, it wasn't pre meditated and this over reaction is coming across as increasingly ridiculous.'"
The fact he did it 4 times suggests it was pre meditated, though. It’s not like he’s made a miscalculation in a desperate attempt to tackle a player. He consistently employed this technique in the tackle as obviously a tactic to nullify the effects of our bigger men. I don’t know how it’s been found to be legal, as far as I’m aware attacking the knee joint has always been illegal but the MRP are probably the worst at their jobs out of anybody in the world.
His technique is outlawed both in the NFL and NRL. Why it wouldn’t be here is just bizarre, but not particularly surprising
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24148_1315916334.jpg [quote="OFFTHECUFF":1xb0p6sn] Wish i could watch a team like Leigh. [/quote:1xb0p6sn]
[quote="Steve":1xb0p6sn] Dislike Leigh with a passion, but they are a million miles ahead of any other club in this league, a sad fact. [/quote:1xb0p6sn]:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_24148.jpg |
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| Quote: The Reaper "The fact he did it 4 times suggests it was pre meditated, though. It’s not like he’s made a miscalculation in a desperate attempt to tackle a player. He consistently employed this technique in the tackle as obviously a tactic to nullify the effects of our bigger men. I don’t know how it’s been found to be legal, as far as I’m aware attacking the knee joint has always been illegal but the MRP are probably the worst at their jobs out of anybody in the world.
His technique is outlawed both in the NFL and NRL. Why it wouldn’t be here is just bizarre, but not particularly surprising'"
Heard a few times now that this has been done 4 times. I haven't seen any footage of incidents 3 or 4. I've seen the Paasi incident and the Walmsley one and I'm confident the MRP made the right call on both.
Nobody has shown these 3rd and 4th incidents yet that I've seen. Have you seen them? Can you supply anything to back up your claims on them?
Genuine question. I am happily defending Asiata on the 2 tackles I've seen. I can't defend 4 incidents when I've not seen 2 of them.
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