The difference between Bailey and Morley is that Morley would go toe-to-toe with anyone. Morley isn't a cheapshot merchant, and he doesn't go hiding. Morley has built a career out of being a hard man and is widely respected, both in England and Australia

Bailey is a coward. He knew exactly what he was doing when he started swinging the elbow and deserved the smacking he got. Then to wait on the floor until enough players got between him and Radford was laughable.

How Bailey has the clean disciplinary record he does beggars belief. There's not been 1 Leeds game on TV this season where he hasn't pulled at least a couple of niggling house stunts. That said, he's not on his own at Leeds. Ablett, JJB, Senior, and now Delaney are all of a similar mindset.

Morley has made a couple of 'cheap' shots in his career. The worst by far was his knee to the groin of a player in the NRL in his last season. Have a look at that, then come back on and try to defend him for that action, and find me something, anywhere, that Bailey has done that's even close.

Some of Morley's head high tackles whilst not necessarily malicious in intent have been expectionally dangerous as well. Don't get me wrong, I like Morley a lot, but don't try to defend his record. He got suspended a lot in Australia for a reason.

I have no idea if people are racist about Bailey, but the mass hysteria about him on here is completely ridiculous. If any other player but Bailey had been involved in that incident with Radford I suspect there'd have been no mention of his use of elbows, and a lot of ire directed at Radford's 'cowardly' assault on a player on the ground.

Right here we go again, The difference being Morley will do it to anyone, Bailey will only do it to Wingers and half backs or when someone is not looking. That's why nobody likes Bailey!!, why he's getting so much defence from Leeds fans is beyond me, after looking at his stats he is useless and lazy.

Without predjudice?

Bailey's actions may have been worthy of a penalty, but Radford's reaction was ridiculous. I'd have been happy with a yellow but accept a red.

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I did find it funny to see Bailey stand up, almost sheepishly, before seeing half a dozen players restraining Radford and deciding to pretend he wanted a go back (and trying to crack Long, WTF was that about!?).

For all those whos asked what the reaction would have been if it was the other way round, well I remember how much the Leeds speccies complained when Paul Davidson got Morley sent of in a Sts v Leeds match a few years back in a similar fashion. I also remember how little the Saints fans cared about said complaints (some said it was the most effective thing he ever did for saints).

Exactly - so using "Bailey has never been sent off" as a defence against him being dirty is a bit weak, since Newton never was either from what I can remember and he most certainly was dirty.

It eventually caught up with Newton, it will with Bailey too. The way he has decided to play the game has probably already done him out of ever playing for England again, so I suppose he's got his punishment in one respect.

Lots of potential but decided that playing the niggly faux hard man was the way to go, and he's a much poorer player for it. Unfortunately most Leeds fans think the way he plays is great, so he has no motivation to ever be anything other than a pantomime villain rather than a decent prop forward.

You don't remeber Bailey putting Morley on his ar#se at Headinelgy the other year? perhaps your a new fan?
What about Fausavalu? is he a half back aswell?

IIRC Bailey's only sinbinning in a game was after a real toe to toe brawl with Julien O'Neil @ Widnes (the forward not the half back), he's about 7 foot BTW.

I think Terry Newton got sent off for Leeds in the '97 WCC competetion for a spear tackle.

Not to derail the thread.

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You really think Baileys game is moulded to suit the fans reaction?

Wouldn't a more sane rationale be that is his playing exactly the way every Leeds coach that has has coached us for the last seven or 8 seasons has asked him to do? If that has made him "poorer" it certainly hasn't stopped his selection year after year and conrtact renewals year after year. And he's done this in a pretty decent side to boot, one that has contested 3CC Finals and 5 GFs in that time span.

Motivated by what the fans think of him. Priceless.

Where have I said that?

I think he is a fine player who has already had a fantastic career. I think he's an integral part of our pack and an important factor in uor success.

However, I too think he could have been much more and hope he still will be. He is relatively young for a prop and has far fewer miles on his clock than graham.

I would not mind Baileys wind up stuff if he backed it up with good metres made and a decent work rate on both sides of the ball. Plus a willingness to take on and mix it with some of the big boys. I know Leeds have won a lot with him in the squad, but they could have been even more dominant during that time with a prop that put up better stats. I dont think Bailey has been integral to Leeds success where the likes of Peacock, McG Burrow and Senior have. Bailey is just another squad player. I think Leeds could replace Bailey and not miss anything and probably get better.

Fair point, but you probably won't get anyone in Blue and Amber specs agreeing

Anyone suggesting that Bailey 'got what he deserved' should be ashamed of themselves.

Rugby League is a sport, when all's said and done. If someone wants to behave like a you should still not justify it by knocking seven bells out of someone.

Yes yes yes, i appreciate that people get wound up, but that is still no reason to act like a thug - retaliation or not.

Of course I read the first post, I quoted it in my reply

You specifically stated, "...in fact if we're being brutally honest, perhaps if Radford was black and Bailey white a lot of those sticking up for Radford might have very different opinions..." which explicitly implies that many of the people are using race to base their opinions

My reply, which I stand by, is that this is a slight on the supporters of Rugby League which has a reputation as one of the most inclusive sports in the country and has broken down many racial barriers (i.e. fist black national captain, first black national coach)

Please tell me where I misinterpreted your statement