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So if ticket prices were the same, same level of marketing, same players (yeah it would be the exact same) but instead it was GB vs NZ rather than England. Some people think there would have been a bigger crowd. Sorry but I am not buying that.

Unless bigger crowd is an extra few people as that is all it would be.

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Quote: kobashi "So if ticket prices were the same, same level of marketing, same players (yeah it would be the exact same) but instead it was GB vs NZ rather than England. Some people think there would have been a bigger crowd. Sorry but I am not buying that.

Unless bigger crowd is an extra few people as that is all it would be.'"


Agreed

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Quote: kobashi "So if ticket prices were the same, same level of marketing, same players (yeah it would be the exact same) but instead it was GB vs NZ rather than England. Some people think there would have been a bigger crowd. Sorry but I am not buying that.

Unless bigger crowd is an extra few people as that is all it would be.'"


The answer is that we'll never know, in reality. But if I think of a GB test series, I think of something more special somehow. England? Not as much. Maybe it's because there was a time when England was the second-string internationals. I was fairly ambivalent about yesterday. Wanted to watch it, but that's about it. It wasn't a must-see event.

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Slugger McBatt "I was fairly ambivalent about yesterday. Wanted to watch it, but that's about it. It wasn't a must-see event.'"

The blame for that has little to do with England/GB and more to do with:
A/ Your perception of what constitutes top class sport.
B/ The RFL's utter inability to market the game at a national level.

The first issue is nothing more than a thin smokescreen, as regardless of if they were called GB, England or the British Isles XIII, the same 17 players would have pulled on shirts. Laziness and apathy towards attending matches is in-bedded in the psyche of RL fans across the board and it's hard to find a logical reason for it, given the rabid fervour on here when describing it as TGG. Without naming names of clubs, it is illogical that some owners can't see the benefit of fans and attracting more......the 2018 SL champions attracted on average 2,000 fewer fans to games than the previous year....15% drop. "FANS" need to stop whining and get back to attending games and owners need to make attracting fans their #1 priority.

The second issue is harder to fix, because self preservation rules the corridors of Red Hall. 25,400 tickets were available for Saturday's game......51,408 was the average weekend attendance in SL........how flippin' hard is it to get half your weekly fan-base to an afternoon game? Pound shop pricing at the end only devalues the event....the minute the series was announced the aim should have been to sell out all three games and Hull was the perfect choice for game 1 as they usually turn up......12 SL clubs, each getting 2k tickets to sell, or 10 clubs less London and Catalan getting 2,500 each......it really in't rocket surgery icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: Slugger McBatt "The answer is that we'll never know, in reality. But if I think of a GB test series, I think of something more special somehow. England? Not as much. Maybe it's because there was a time when England was the second-string internationals. I was fairly ambivalent about yesterday. Wanted to watch it, but that's about it. It wasn't a must-see event.'"


So let's gets this straight. The answer to creating big crowds and interest for rugby league internationals in this country is simple as replacing England with GB.

Come on dude. You can't seriously believe that

Are you really saying that if England was replaced by GB it would have became a must see event for you?

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Quote: kobashi "So let's gets this straight. The answer to creating big crowds and interest for rugby league internationals in this country is simple as replacing England with GB.

Come on dude. You can't seriously believe that

Are you really saying that if England was replaced by GB it would have became a must see event for you?'"


It would have been much more so than it was. It's perhaps a personal thing, but when I think of GB and all the Test series of yore, it makes my blood stir. England just never has in the same way. It may well have been the same players, but the occasion would have had more history behind it.

And I'm not the only who thinks that. That's why the RFL is doing a GB tour of Australia, not England, even if it would be the same players. It has the heritage Down Under.

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I don't understand the obsession with GB. I used to prefer it but I've got used to England. The fact is as someone else said, a GB team would be identical to England in terms of players - we'll never see a lot of Welsh again, and never had that many Scots.

As for the game, I'm not sure how England playing dourly is Bennett's fault. On paper that backline is dire, and our halfbacks are dire on the pitch as well as on paper. Being honest any result against that Kiwi team should be worth a lot of praise. Oh, hang on, this is RL, where we damn GB/England for beating a 'weak' NZ and damn them if they beat a strong team.

I think Bennett has had a bigger effect on confidence than a lot of people expect, and he has at least got SL players putting in pretty solid defensive efforts against some class players. If he could just get them to show that confidence vs Aus.....

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JESUS WEPT :WALL: HOW MANY TIMES????? £20 a ticket and £15 on beer and merchandise.....so an away fan is worth £35. At best, 1,000 is the average away support split across 11 rounds and I am being really generous here, so Toronto, replacing say Wakefield will cost a SL club £35,000. The minimum turnover of a SL club is £4,000,000 so Toronto instead of Widnes is worth less than 1% of a SL clubs turnover. There are many valid reasons for and against expansion into America, but "AWAY FANS" isn't one of them. :BEAT::d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_76030.jpg



Quote: Slugger McBatt "And I'm not the only who thinks that. That's why the RFL is doing a GB tour of Australia, not England, even if it would be the same players. It has the heritage Down Under.'"

...yeah, heritage sleepy.gif

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