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The cold hard facts are that as you've said so many times, attendances are no longer important.
Modern sport is all about filling tv screens.
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Indeed..... And Wakefield are about as much of an attractive drawcard as a re-run of crossroads.
A Calder club, ayimg in a new shiny stadium and fed by multiple Clubs inclining Cas, Fev and wakey would be a great superleage club, whilst those feeder clubs would continue to play in a secondary comp that runs after the SL season..... 22 games a season for the SL sides and say 11 for the feeder clubs..... With all the income filtering down to the feeder clubs.... The grass roots of the game would continue with kids progress g to. Academy level..... Then maybe to the 2nd tier...... Then maybe to The SL level...... SL Licences would enable the cash to be spent on development and not survival...........lets face it, wakey are never going to win SL on their current fiscal model, so why should we keep giving them 1.8 million?..... If you're not able to compete you shouldn't be in the game...
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| Quote: Call Me God "Indeed..... And Wakefield are about as much of an attractive drawcard as a re-run of crossroads.
A Calder club, ayimg in a new shiny stadium and fed by multiple Clubs inclining Cas, Fev and wakey would be a great superleage club, whilst those feeder clubs would continue to play in a secondary comp that runs after the SL season..... 22 games a season for the SL sides and say 11 for the feeder clubs..... With all the income filtering down to the feeder clubs.... The grass roots of the game would continue with kids progress g to. Academy level..... Then maybe to the 2nd tier...... Then maybe to The SL level...... SL Licences would enable the cash to be spent on development and not survival...........lets face it, wakey are never going to win SL on their current fiscal model, so why should we keep giving them 1.8 million?..... If you're not able to compete you shouldn't be in the game...'"
Again, more utter rubbish.
If you venture up to this part of the world, you will find that there is no appetite whatsoever for the "Calder" merger that you keep banging on about and the secondary competition that you suggest is a total non starter as it would have about as much interest from fans as going to an "A" team game.
Also, if we shrink the semi professional model and the number of SL sides, the chances of progress for youngsters necessarily reduces and more critically, there would be no more interest from media and sponsors in a reduced top flight.
We already have too many repeat fixtures. Trinity themselves will Huddersfield 5 times this season and although you will probably point to the 3 losses (probably 4 after Friday night), I'd rather watch them play Toulouse or Batley for 2 of them.
There was an argument for reducing SL to 10 clubs to "improve quality" but, the fixtures, especially when factoring in cup games and play offs would, even for the most passionate fans, just become boring repeats
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| Quote: Call Me God "Indeed..... And Wakefield are about as much of an attractive drawcard as a re-run of crossroads.
A Calder club, ayimg in a new shiny stadium and fed by multiple Clubs inclining Cas, Fev and wakey would be a great superleage club, whilst those feeder clubs would continue to play in a secondary comp that runs after the SL season..... 22 games a season for the SL sides and say 11 for the feeder clubs..... With all the income filtering down to the feeder clubs.... The grass roots of the game would continue with kids progress g to. Academy level..... Then maybe to the 2nd tier...... Then maybe to The SL level...... SL Licences would enable the cash to be spent on development and not survival...........lets face it, wakey are never going to win SL on their current fiscal model, so why should we keep giving them 1.8 million?..... If you're not able to compete you shouldn't be in the game...'"
So...
1) Why do you think Cas, Fev and Wakefield fans will all turn up to watch a combined team? There is no evidence that this mythical team will be any more supported than any of the current ones.
2) If you only want teams in Super League who can win the Grand Final, the evidence would suggest you have a league of two...............of the four teams that have won, Bradford are in League one so it's going to be quite hard for them and Leeds are struggling in the Middle 8. You could include Hull, Warrington and Cas as they have made the final before but each were beaten pretty well so I'm not sure that fits your point.
Right now Wakefield don't look like winning the Grand Final but I think most people would agree we are competitive.
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| A Calder merger is a non starter.
Firstly there is no area or region called Calder, nobody identifies with an area called calder. (there is Calderdale, Halifax) the Calder runs through Wakefield but it runs into the Aire just before Castleford. People in Castleford Knottingley etr refer to the river Aire, Featherstone as no river whatsoever and is no where near either river. any merged team would have to use the district name i.e. Wakefield, and that will not go down well. It's not like hull and hull kr merging into one "Hull" Club, or one Manchester club.
Secondly people will simply not support it on any level.
A shared stadium is viable and us an ideal solution for Wakefield and castleford, but a stadium in either town is a no go'er as Wakefield fans would boycott playing in Castleford and vice versa, Featherstone stadium is pretty small but superior to both BV and Weldon road, so they do not need to be involved unless by pure choice, POR is partially redeveloped a new main stand if around 4K will take the capacity over 10k and all 3 could use that as its central. Or Castleford Wakefield should look at a new site smack in the middle at say Normanton, altofts. Normanton as a Fev wakefield Castleford split fan base so like cal support guaranteed for all clubs, and is closer for some fans fans than the current grounds.
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| Quote: Joff "There are three clubs about 50 feet away from each other all competing for the sameCALDER UNITED RLFC and play at the new Castleford Stadium??
The 3 clubs right now are about as useful as one of these....
And which new Castleford Stadium would that be then??? It doesn't exist at present, any more than Wakefield's new one does, and until I see bricks being laid for either of them I won't believe either will happen anytime soon.
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| Quote: Call Me God "Indeed..... And Wakefield are about as much of an attractive drawcard as a re-run of crossroads.
A Calder club, ayimg in a new shiny stadium and fed by multiple Clubs inclining Cas, Fev and wakey would be a great superleage club, whilst those feeder clubs would continue to play in a secondary comp that runs after the SL season..... 22 games a season for the SL sides and say 11 for the feeder clubs..... With all the income filtering down to the feeder clubs.... The grass roots of the game would continue with kids progress g to. Academy level..... Then maybe to the 2nd tier...... Then maybe to The SL level...... SL Licences would enable the cash to be spent on development and not survival...........lets face it, wakey are never going to win SL on their current fiscal model, so why should we keep giving them 1.8 million?..... If you're not able to compete you shouldn't be in the game...'"
This is the same old drivel that’s brought up every couple of years there’s a daft merger thread that appears. “On our own we can never hope to win anything or be a top 4 club”. I’m so glad Darryl Powell and all
Concerned with the club has proven that to be to total BS. As much as the thought horrified me, if we can Reach a GF and win the league by a record amount of points, be a regular in the top 4 and reach a CC final all in 4 years then so can Wakey.
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| Quote: Call Me God "Indeed..... And Wakefield are about as much of an attractive drawcard as a re-run of crossroads.
A Calder club, ayimg in a new shiny stadium and fed by multiple Clubs inclining Cas, Fev and wakey would be a great superleage club, whilst those feeder clubs would continue to play in a secondary comp that runs after the SL season..... 22 games a season for the SL sides and say 11 for the feeder clubs..... With all the income filtering down to the feeder clubs.... The grass roots of the game would continue with kids progress g to. Academy level..... Then maybe to the 2nd tier...... Then maybe to The SL level...... SL Licences would enable the cash to be spent on development and not survival...........lets face it, wakey are never going to win SL on their current fiscal model, so why should we keep giving them 1.8 million?..... If you're not able to compete you shouldn't be in the game...'"
I think I can manage to agree with all that. Makes perfect sense. Now to sell it to Yorkshire....
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| Can we put this merger rubbish to bed nobody wants them they won’t work say for instance you merged Hull 10-11,000 average with Hull KR 7-8,000 average they wouldn’t become a super club all of a sudden I wouldn’t watch a merged team simply because it’s not my team what would happen is one if not both would start up again as separate entities so in the end you’d have three average supported clubs going nowhere instead of two decent ones
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| Quote: fun time frankie "Can we put this merger rubbish to bed nobody wants them they won’t work say for instance you merged Hull 10-11,000 average with Hull KR 7-8,000 average they wouldn’t become a super club all of a sudden I wouldn’t watch a merged team simply because it’s not my team what would happen is one if not both would start up again as separate entities so in the end you’d have three average supported clubs going nowhere instead of two decent ones'"
Gateshead Thunder and Sheffield Eagles proving your point.
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| The game needs a massive shake up if it’s not going to die. A competition that embraces the sport’s past and the brave new world.
Superleague needs the teams below - properly funded and supported by feeder teams in the lower divisions or it will wither and die. Time that selfish people stopped thinking about themselves.
Toronto
Toulouse
Catalans
New York
London
Coventry
Newcastle
Bradford
Leeds
St Helens
Wigan
Plus merged teams:
Merseyside (incorporating Warrington and Widnes)
West Yorkshire (incorporating Castleford, Wakefield, Huddersfield, Dewsbury, Batley, Keighley, Hunslet and Featherstone).
Greater Manchester (incorporating Salford, Swinton, Leigh, Rochdale, Oldham and Halifax)
Humberside (incorporating Hull and Hull KR)
This will appeal to fans outside of the current base plus sponsors and tv.
This brave vision will save the sport from oblivion.
Heed my words.
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| Halifax playing in a Greater Manchester team
And why should Bradford survive as a separate entity but Warrington don’t? The same for Saints.
I just don’t see an arbitrary mix of town clubs and regional clubs working at all. It would kill the game stone dead to remove all those rivalries. Who in the works is going to want to watch Toronto vs Greater Manchester?
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| Quote: Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza "The game needs a massive shake up if it’s not going to die. A competition that embraces the sport’s past and the brave new world.
Superleague needs the teams below - properly funded and supported by feeder teams in the lower divisions or it will wither and die. Time that selfish people stopped thinking about themselves.
Toronto
Toulouse
Catalans
New York
London
Coventry
Newcastle
Bradford
Leeds
St Helens
Wigan
Plus merged teams
You're mixing a location based argument with one that includes 4 existing teams in a competing area with the the merged teams. I don't agree with mergers, and in my opinion would kill the game off (none of us actually know what would happen, but we can all have an opinion), but to go with this logic, then there'd be no place for Leeds, Bradford, Saints and Wigan in this new structure. You could possibly have a Liverpool-centric club and a Manchester one, with West Yorkshire and Hull on the other side of the Pennines.
I assume it's just a wind-up from a Bulls fan to suggest that Fax should be a part of a Greater Manchester merged team.
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| Quote: HXSparky "You're mixing a location based argument with one that includes 4 existing teams in a competing area with the the merged teams. I don't agree with mergers, and in my opinion would kill the game off (none of us actually know what would happen, but we can all have an opinion), but to go with this logic, then there'd be no place for Leeds, Bradford, Saints and Wigan in this new structure. You could possibly have a Liverpool-centric club and a Manchester one, with West Yorkshire and Hull on the other side of the Pennines.
I assume it's just a wind-up from a Bulls fan to suggest that Fax should be a part of a Greater Manchester merged team.'"
I thought it was really well thought out
Coventry and Newcastle are barely fledgling clubs, New York are just someones wet dream and Toulouse make Fev look like a big club but, yeah, lets destroy 4/5 current heartland clubs to accommodate them, it makes great sense
Look, IF we are serious about getting say, Newcastle up to speed and somewhere near SL ready, the very least that should be happening is having Magic up there for the next 4/5 years and some proper marketing on the back of it.
In the same way that The Skolars take advantage of The Challenge cup, there could be a ticket for a Newcastle fixture either discounted or includes in the Magic Ticket (based on postcode or something) to try and encourage the locals or something that allowed fans to attend the game on the following weekend and try to find whether there is genuine appetite for RL in the North East BUT, this has to happen before any talk of just elevating them to the top tier.
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| Quote: HXSparky "I assume it's just a wind-up from a Bulls fan to suggest that Fax should be a part of a Greater Manchester merged team.'"
Look fax have done very well this season but are a long way off competing at the top of superleague. As part of an amalgamated area side for greater Manchester they might be able too
Don’t you want to see your team up there? Show some ambition!
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| Quote: Maccbull_BigBullyBooaza "Look fax have done very well this season but are a long way off competing at the top of superleague. As part of an amalgamated area side for greater Manchester they might be able too
Don’t you want to see your team up there? Show some ambition!'"
Surely Halifax should be in with Huddersfield and Bradford, my gran could throw a tablecloth over all three with them being so close together yet, you decide that, not only do they need to merge but, they need to move counties.
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