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Quote: Barrie's Glass Eye "And if they would have had crap crowds, a crap ground, very little money and we're made up of purely players who have already proved average at best in SL, with no player development to speak of, would it still be the best thing to happen to SL then.

Before people start foaming at the mouth, only one of those things apply to Leigh (the academy bit) and they have done a good job of developing players that might otherwise have been lost to the game.

Leigh are a good team to come up. Im just trying to make the point that success on the field should not be the only criteria for being allowed at the top table.

What I worry about is that because of the quality of the teams below those with a chance to come up, all we are likely to see is the same clubs swapping and changing and no one actually developing.'"


Leigh haven't played in super league for 10 years. Last years MPG teams are nowhere around. So far it's too early to say it'll be the same teams swapping. Performances on the field should be the only criteria. It is for deciding champions.

If a team manages to oust a super league despite having no youth development, yet also poor crowds and therefore little money to buy up players, then they've done pretty f*cking well and deserve it. Generally speaking good performances on the field will be a by product of good things happening off the field.

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Quote: FlexWheeler "Leigh haven't played in super league for 10 years. Last years MPG teams are nowhere around. So far it's too early to say it'll be the same teams swapping. Performances on the field should be the only criteria. It is for deciding champions.

If a team manages to oust a super league despite having no youth development, yet also poor crowds and therefore little money to buy up players, then they've done pretty f*cking well and deserve it. Generally speaking good performances on the field will be a by product of good things happening off the field.'"
Or a loudmouth millionaire owner who is able to get the rules changed to allow him to spend way more money than everyone else in the division.

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Quote: headhunter "Or a loudmouth millionaire owner who is able to get the rules changed to allow him to spend way more money than everyone else in the division.'"


A millionaire owner isn't such a bad thing. The game isn't exactly flush, and it's a bit rich for super league team fans (not directed at you, just mean in general) to be squawking about owners with money considering most super league clubs are bankrolled to some degree and a fair few have breached SC rules at some point.

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Quote: headhunter "Or a loudmouth millionaire owner who is able to get the rules changed to allow him to spend way more money than everyone else in the division.'"


And then let us all in for free for our final home game against Batley , the North stand 4,000 tickets have already gone ( meaning I'm having to sit in the East stand for the 1 st time icon_mad.gif ) and if the demand continues we could be looking at a sell out by Saturday

Any other club was allowed to spend the same if they had it

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Quote: FlexWheeler "A millionaire owner isn't such a bad thing. The game isn't exactly flush, and it's a bit rich for super league team fans (not directed at you, just mean in general) to be squawking about owners with money considering most super league clubs are bankrolled to some degree and a fair few have breached SC rules at some point.'"
Not against it all, it just means that promotion and a strong on-field team isn't necessarily an indicator of 'good things', Celtic Crusaders were exactly the same and did exactly the same things and they are universally hated on here for it. In fact Celtic were arguably a stronger entity than Leigh because they actually ran junior teams and had development pathways.

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Quote: FlexWheeler "Leigh haven't played in super league for 10 years. Last years MPG teams are nowhere around. So far it's too early to say it'll be the same teams swapping. Performances on the field should be the only criteria. It is for deciding champions.

If a team manages to oust a super league despite having no youth development, yet also poor crowds and therefore little money to buy up players, then they've done pretty f*cking well and deserve it. Generally speaking good performances on the field will be a by product of good things happening off the field.'"


You would hope that would be the case.

I suppose I just think their was a lot this year about clubs like feath, bradford and Sheffield pushing themselves to the edge just because being competitive on the field is 'good enough' I also question how much adding Featherstone or Batley to the top flight if we already have Cas, Wakefield, Leeds in that area. How much can they actually grow?

And I genuinely do believe that their are only certain clubs who will ever (big statement I know) have the potential to push into SL in this or any format, and eventually we will see a couple of clubs who are constantly in the middle eights, whether that be championship or SL. That is conjecture at this point but IMO we've already seen it start to happen with it being about 4/5 championship clubs then everyone else.

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Quote: headhunter "Not against it all, it just means that promotion and a strong on-field team isn't necessarily an indicator of 'good things', Celtic Crusaders were exactly the same and did exactly the same things and they are universally hated on here for it. In fact Celtic were arguably a stronger entity than Leigh because they actually ran junior teams and had development pathways.'"


No they didn't , Leigh's spending is all out in the open , not hidden behind a £ 150 K salary cap in NL2 , and then a £ 250K one the year later when they were promoted

As regards their support base , their stadium , their players legality to work in Britain , where their funding actually came from ?

As far as your argument of Leigh's reserve grade this year , are you aware we don't have anybody to actuall play

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Quote: headhunter "Not against it all, it just means that promotion and a strong on-field team isn't necessarily an indicator of 'good things', [iCeltic Crusaders[/i were exactly the same and did exactly the same things and they are universally hated on here for it. In fact Celtic were arguably a stronger entity than Leigh because they actually ran junior teams and had development pathways.'"

Ah, the token Welsh team (love Wales by the way, great Country) who had [iSpecial Disspensations[/i on overseas quotas *under the development area banner*, a good number of which did not have visas, poor following, RL not wanted by the majority of the people who favour Union, financially practically bankrupt.

You're not registered as Jean Capdouze too are you ?

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Will we see the first ever all Championship 11,000 + attendance for Leigh v Batley.

Mr Beaumont has invited Batley fans & fans of any other Clubs to enjoy Rugby League for free on Saturday, already looking like a total capacity sell out.

Are you coming Headhunter ?

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Quote: Ste100Centurions "Will we see the first ever all Championship 11,000 + attendance for Leigh v Batley.

Mr Beaumont has invited Batley fans & fans of any other Clubs to enjoy Rugby League for free on Saturday, already looking like a total capacity sell out.

Are you coming Headhunter ?'"


Wouldn't count on it. There'd be some on here who think free tickets are still too expensive.

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Quote: GUBRATS "No they didn't , Leigh's spending is all out in the open , not hidden behind a £ 150 K salary cap in NL2 , and then a £ 250K one the year later when they were promoted

As regards their support base , their stadium , their players legality to work in Britain , where their funding actually came from ?'"
Er yeah, they did. They spent more than the other teams, bought a bunch of players that were too good for the competition they were in and won promotion on the back of that. The club was a total shambles but as far as on-field goes they did the same thing as Leigh. They had a wealthy owner who bankrolled them to success. I don't begrudge Leigh or anyone else for doing that BTW, that's the way modern sport works but the fact is that if the owner pulled out they would go the same way as Celtic Crusaders, as would every club in the bottom half of Super League. Leigh were having bucket collections before Beaumont stepped in. Trying to claim that the success any more noble or 'deserved' than anyone else is a childish fallacy. To be fair at least Beaumont has put his money in and achieved what he set out to do, which is more than can be said for the likes of Koukash.
Quote: GUBRATS "As far as your argument of Leigh's reserve grade this year , are you aware we don't have anybody to actuall play'"
Halifax, Keighley, Wigan, St Helens, Warrington and Hull FC all ran reserves this year. Dewsbury started the season but withdrew.

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Ah I see our phony frenchman is still coming up with all kinds of rubbish.
I have him on ignore so only see when people quote him.
When people start saying words like deserve to be in the top flight about a sporting team you know they have lost any notion of having sound reasoning.
The league table does not lie, those who deserve to be where they are , are where they are.

I liked having Bradford in SL, but they went bust twice under the closed shop that was licencing. If you can't make it when there is the protection of a Cartel, then it's sad but that's life. Survival of the fittest!

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Quote: headhunter "Or a loudmouth millionaire owner who is able to get the rules changed to allow him to spend way more money than everyone else in the division.'"



They didn't just let Leigh spend more money than anyone else though did they?

The playing field just wasn't level & now it is. If a club (or should I say, rich individual) wants to plough a shed load of cash into trying to get into S.L. then fair play to them.

If for instance, Huddersfield were to be in the Championship next season & their Chairman bankrolled the club up to the cap, would you have a problem with that?

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Quote: headhunter "Er yeah, they did. They spent more than the other teams, bought a bunch of players that were too good for the competition they were in and won promotion on the back of that. The club was a total shambles but as far as on-field goes they did the same thing as Leigh. They had a wealthy owner who bankrolled them to success. I don't begrudge Leigh or anyone else for doing that BTW, that's the way modern sport works but the fact is that if the owner pulled out they would go the same way as Celtic Crusaders, as would every club in the bottom half of Super League. Leigh were having bucket collections before Beaumont stepped in. Trying to claim that the success any more noble or 'deserved' than anyone else is a childish fallacy. To be fair at least Beaumont has put his money in and achieved what he set out to do, which is more than can be said for the likes of Koukash.
Halifax, Keighley, Wigan, St Helens, Warrington and Hull FC all ran reserves this year. Dewsbury started the season but withdrew.'"


You brought up the comparison , I or nobody else has suggested Leigh promotion is more ' Noble ' than any other

Just for the record Leighton Samuel wasn't the primary financier of the CC s , that was RFL development money via Wales RL through their offices located conveniently at Mr Samuels Dekor company

They ran full time on 150K ?

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Quote: The Devil's Advocate "They didn't just let Leigh spend more money than anyone else though did they?

The playing field just wasn't level & now it is. If a club (or should I say, rich individual) wants to plough a shed load of cash into trying to get into S.L. then fair play to them.

If for instance, Huddersfield were to be in the Championship next season & their Chairman bankrolled the club up to the cap, would you have a problem with that?'"
I don't have any problem with what Leigh did at all, the cap should be the same across all divisions and it will be from next season so there isn't a problem. I was just replying to the guy who was talking about on-field success being a sign of good things happening off the field, which isn't true. Leigh were on their way to being relegated from the Championship before Beaumont got involved.

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