Yes. Next question.

Yes it was

Was Lance entirely innocent?

After watching the WCC documentary, I can very much imagine Wane telling his team to 'bash him' and whatever else. Bit of a coincidence that 2 minutes in someone's swinging at Hohaia - Saints' only recognised half. Flower just took it way too far.

He should be looking at 15 games or so in my opinion.

Nonsense. Kevin Sinfield is one of the most gracious losers you'll ever see. He's also Leeds (and SL I think) most successful ever captain.

Accepting losing is a totally different thing to showing respect to your opponents and fellow pros.

Wellens spoke highly of Wigan in his speech. The least they should do is stay on the field to applaud the Saints players up for the trophy.

Are you Eastbourne Warrior in disguise?

Are you really trying to justify Flower's actions?

Flower started it in back play. Lance retaliated man to man, then flower retaliated, man on man.

....But then.....flower went full retard.

No but that's utterly irrelevant given how out of proportion the response was. Flower started it, Lance aggrevated it and flower's reaction was GBH

You either don't understand what I wrote or you're being deliberately obtuse. There is a massive difference between a reason and an excuse. If someone ran over and elbowed me in the head is react too. That I can understand. What followed no one can offer an excuse for. Flower needs more self control and deserves whatever punishment is handed out.

As I've said previously the lunch on the floor was one of the worst things I've seen on a pitch for a long time. I'd expect a very long ban.

He retaliated to Flower hitting him round the back of the head. So not entirely innocent but Flower started it and finished it.

I find it remarkable that even after that Wigan fans are trying to defend it ...unbelieveable lot they are !

Not trying to justify anything, genuinely couldn't see what happened or the big screen replay.

If he retaliated to somethint Lance did then probably 2-4 match ban, otherwise 5ish probs.

On the game, Saints were poor to only score 16 points against 12 men. Ben cost us the game for sure.

Look, there's no need for this thread.

There is aggressive confrontation : Flower's first swipe at Hohaia, Hohaia's retaliation.

Then there is looking at an unconscious, defenceless man lying prone at your feet, and hitting him full in the face as hard as you can. That is disgusting, cowardly assault. Do that in any town centre on a Saturday night and you are going to jail.

I don't want to see Flower on a rugby field ever again.