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Quote: ChrisGS "Reading some of these responses you'd think a sports competition having self-interest was the world's greatest sin.

State of Origin would be massive. It's the one rugby league event that people in the UK who don't even like or know much about rugby league will watch, despite some of the drivel posted in this thread suggesting otherwise. I'd go as far as saying that outside of world cups it probably draws more interest from casual sports fans than some international games do.

If international rugby league is truly the way forward and there is a market for it then where is the conflict here? From the sounds of some of you, Dunbar for example, you talk up internationals but sound petrified that origin would take attention away from them. If the UK care about international games and not origin then what are you worried about? If it's a failure then it's a failure for the NRL. So what. Stop whinging.'"

Seeing as though you have named me, I will address a couple of your points

Firstly, I think you significantly overestimate the awareness of State of Origin outside of Rugby League fans. We know all about it and we all look forward to the series every year but my question is why would a non-Rugby League fan have an awareness of an interstate competition on the other side of the world?

I am not petrified that Origin would take attention away from Internationals but I am concerned that it is not the right focus. Let’s take the recent World Cup match in Bristol as an example. It was a huge success with a crowd that far outstripped what most expected. This was primarily down to great work from people raising awareness of the event. As Rugby League fans, we know that the USA vs. Cook Islands would not be the best standard RL but I believe it would have been far easier to sell that game to the Bristol and South West public than NSW vs. Queensland would have been. Despite the fact we know that the SOO would be a wonderful game, the promotion was about the occasion and not the quality of the game

I am not in any way against the concept of a SOO game at Wembley and if it went ahead I would want it to be a huge success and, as I have said before, I would be there. But fundamentally, it is not the correct way to raise the profile of our sport. Despite the quality of the game, showcasing an Australian inter-state match as the pinnacle of our sport is actually quite a negative message

Anyway, this is my opinion and you may disagree. But, I would appreciate it if you didn’t categorises my passion for growing our game in the right way as whinging. Thanks

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I can't see this happening, for some of the logistical reasons already stated. I'd probably go if it did happen, though. Just a thought (apologies if this has already been mentioned and I've missed it): if a SOO game was played over here you'd have the whole Aussie squad in the UK. Scheduling a mid-season England v Aus test for the following weekend might get more value out of the trip. You could even make it a double header with England Knights v Australia A.

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Quote: Dux "I can't see this happening, for some of the logistical reasons already stated. I'd probably go if it did happen, though. Just a thought (apologies if this has already been mentioned and I've missed it)

why are rugby league fans obsessed with making everything a double header

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If its good enough for the yanks and the NFL.

I'd go for sure.

I think you'd get a lot of RU fans turning up as well...to see what all the fuss is about.

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Can you imagine how good it would be to hear Dave Woods calling State of Origin on the BBC?

But would the BBC be interested?

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Me and atleast 10 mates would be at the game if it was anounced for tomorrow morning, those saying it would only attract 60,000 are mental. Priced right ( and I dont mean mega cheap) and with enough marketing time, Wembley would 100% be a sell out for Origin. Hope this goes ahead.

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Quote: Beverley red "It is a marketing ploy for the NRL to make them money. If they were concerned for RL in general they would have an annual international fixture at Wembley but they are not interested in that only the NRL. It is that which has undermined the efforts of the RFL to attract sponsorship as we have no credible international events on a regular fixed time frame ,just look at Union at least 7 internationals each year plus an overseas tour EVERY YEAR their clubs loose players from domestic competition for that! try asking the NRL clubs to do that & see how long you last before being laughed out of Sydney. If it was a plan to raise awareness of league & to support the RFL I would give it my support but it is not. Lets face it they change the rules of the game with no thought to us or consultation with the RFL or RLIF so let them take it to another country Iran would be fine with me..'"

This ^^^^
I'm on a ship off the Norwegian coast and was just thinking about chucking myself overboard reading all the comments from people creaming themselves at the prospect of SOO at Wembley. Thanks Beverley red you might have just saved my life!

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I'd be off icon_biggrin.gif. Would love this to go ahead icon_razz.gifRAY: icon_razz.gifRAY:

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Quote: Dunbar "Seeing as though you have named me, I will address a couple of your points

Firstly, I think you significantly overestimate the awareness of State of Origin outside of Rugby League fans. We know all about it and we all look forward to the series every year but my question is why would a non-Rugby League fan have an awareness of an interstate competition on the other side of the world?

........ Thanks'"


And yet even Jeremy Guscott has been bigging up the State of Origin in the media recently.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people would be interested outside the core fans of the game

.....providing we tell them about it! That's where we go wrong.

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I reckon you'd get 20k Aussies there for a start.

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Quote: PopTart "And yet even Jeremy Guscott has been bigging up the State of Origin in the media recently.
I'm pretty sure a lot of people would be interested outside the core fans of the game

.....providing we tell them about it! That's where we go wrong.'"

ok so we go out, tell everyone about, bang on about brilliant marketing, wonderful adverts, a flawless build up that would have made a Don Draper/Martin Sorrell transformeresq super-advertiser jealous, 90k people go an pay £50 a ticket to go see SoO. The NRL/ARL take the £4.5m it makes in ticket revenue, pay the costs and take the profit.

Then what?

Wheres the benefit for the game over here?

Fact is that yes, we probably could sell out SoO, and yest it probably would get a slightly different fanbase to attend. But the uncomfortable end conclusion is that we would have spent a whole lot of time and effort seeing the publicity, prestige and goodwill sucked out of our domestic game and thrown away on a gimmick game between two states containing players who play 11k miles away, so a rival competition can make money.

It is a fairly forlorn hope that the magic dust from a game between two states 11k miles away will attract fans to a different competition 200miles

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I hope it is one of the three games rather than just adding a 4th game like what they did in 1987 in america

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Quote: Dunbar "Seeing as though you have named me, I will address a couple of your points

Firstly, I think you significantly overestimate the awareness of State of Origin outside of Rugby League fans. We know all about it and we all look forward to the series every year but my question is why would a non-Rugby League fan have an awareness of an interstate competition on the other side of the world?'"


It's not politically correct but the answer to that question is simple - It's the violence. Rugby league fans like to underestimate it in this push to attract families to the game but you can't dispute that plenty of red blooded males would sit down to watch a sports game if you could guarantee a brawl and ferocious big hits.

Lots of sports fans who know about Origin have time for it for that reason. Are people who don't know about State of Origin as a series going to bat an eyelid? Probably not. But it would be foolish to underestimate the positive opinions on origin from non-league fans who're aware of it - and I'd argue there's a surprising number who are. You can search the internet and find testimonies all over the place from non-league people who love origin and buy into it as a concept.

I'm actually surprised at the number of people who are saying otherwise, genuinely. I'm not in a league hotbed and I know so many people who're aware of origin and are happy to watch it. Might not say much about my friends, ha.

Quote: Dunbar "I am not petrified that Origin would take attention away from Internationals but I am concerned that it is not the right focus. Let’s take the recent World Cup match in Bristol as an example. It was a huge success with a crowd that far outstripped what most expected. This was primarily down to great work from people raising awareness of the event. As Rugby League fans, we know that the USA vs. Cook Islands would not be the best standard RL but I believe it would have been far easier to sell that game to the Bristol and South West public than NSW vs. Queensland would have been. Despite the fact we know that the SOO would be a wonderful game, the promotion was about the occasion and not the quality of the game'"


I disagree. I think that's shortsighted of you. If the Australians did go for this and if it did work then it would be further proof that origin as a concept is big enough to warrant standalone weekends. If origin is ever moved to standalone weekends - and it should be - then that opens up a world of possibilities for the international game, as tests can be scheduled to run alongside the series.

Quote: Dunbar "I am not in any way against the concept of a SOO game at Wembley and if it went ahead I would want it to be a huge success and, as I have said before, I would be there. But fundamentally, it is not the correct way to raise the profile of our sport. Despite the quality of the game, showcasing an Australian inter-state match as the pinnacle of our sport is actually quite a negative message'"


Then sell it as the pinnacle of Australian sport. There's no point splitting hairs over whether it is or isn't the pinnacle of the sport.

If we're talking about negative messages, you know, isn't implying that international league is so fragile that a one-off origin game would send out the wrong message and harm the games standing just that - a negative message to send out?

I don't see the conflict, personally, in saying that origin is the greatest domestic rugby series in the world - one of the best in all of sport, in fact - and is right up there with internationals as far as intensity and skill is concerned.

To say 'Oh we shouldn't really have origin here because it sends the wrong message and undermines the international game and sends out a negative message' hardly paints a positive picture of the sport.

Quote: Dunbar "Anyway, this is my opinion and you may disagree. But, I would appreciate it if you didn’t categorises my passion for growing our game in the right way as whinging. Thanks'"


My apologies.

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You'd be stupid not to welcome SOO over here with open arms. Oh, and it would be great if the NRL could take over the running of the Broncos while they're at it. There needs to be a strong and successful London presence in Super League. End of.

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