When SL started didn't it used to be run by itself (or more accurately Maurice Lyndsy) then eventually wen back under the RFL control?

What would a split give the clubs what they don;t have now? Its not like the game has got squillions to spend on marketing or that th eimage of the game is going to change and start bringing in blue chip companies falling over themselves.

There are no easy quick solutions to one hundred years plus of the games image being seen as thuggery by northern working class louts. I had hoped when SL started, the game was awash with new money, we had national marketing featuring a semi naked paul rowley getting the grils on the bus excited and martin offiah blazing a trail in Lonodon tube stations, Branson was in love with the Broncos and the game had a big city vision that we might finally have turned a corner, but alas it was a false dawn.

We didn't fully embrace the vision. One man's 'tradition' is a another man's short-sighted stubbornness. The mergers proposed at the start of SL should have happened.

From the sky sports app on my phone this morning this "breakaway" is being led by IL of Wigan and it seems he wants to keep a 14 team SL and is unhappy with the share out of monies and wants less to go to the championship with more money to the SL CLUBS.

And whilst all this goes on, I read in Yorkshire Business magazine that the RFL turnover is up 25.3% and SL Europe Ltd's turnover is up 24.3%.

I agree, the Qatar thing is completely bonkers, but at least FIFA / UEFA are addressing in well in advance. If changes need to happen fine, but we should be planning for 3-4 years down the line, not 3-4 months.

Turkeys voting for christmas again !!. the bottom line is that it is all about the self interest of the top clubs getting the majority of the money and everything else outside can go and sort themselves out. I agree that this will cause further decline in the game as a whole. They probably want to keep the DR system too to save them money developing their own youth systems. Absolute Bonkers !! and the RFL should stick to their guns and not be dictated to by these chairmen, they would certainly go up in my estimation, that wouldnt be hard though, they have allowed the decline in the game to happen.

As others have said, the issue here is that there is too much 'tail wagging the dog' throughout the game.

Other the course of the last five years or so, other sports have kicked on massively whilst we have, at best, remained static and, perhaps more likely, regressed a few years. The game is less attractive to sponsors, it is being played by poorly run clubs in stadiums bordering on dangerous and it is loosing it's biggest talent to overseas.

There is no clear vision for addressing the key, fundamental issues within the game.

[listNo revised structure involving P&R or "2x12 + 3x8" will address the fact that the game can't attract commercial partners and revenue because it is watched by an audience that advertisers don't want to connect with.

No revised structure will address the fact that we have some very poorly run, financially unstable clubs within the game.

No revised structure will address the fact clubs cannot fully grasp the concept of marketing.

No revised structure will address the significant failings at international level.

No revised structure will address the the huge decline in junior and amateur players, or address the very real issue of a talent drain to Australia.[/list

The game has to strive towards excellence, get the elite product right and drive up standards. If not, it will be left further behind. To do that, we simply can't afford to have the top clubs getting dragged down to the level of bottom clubs. We have to set an expectation that the bottom clubs must step up to the level set by the top. If that sounds harsh, then sorry, but sport is a business and that is now business works.

We do not have 14 top clubs we have 5/6 at most and that is why we have the problem
We have low regular season intensity and have destroyed the CC our crown jewel
If koukashs mate bought Rochdale tomorrow through 1.8m into the team where would they be playing in 2015?
When Bradford and Salford and Wakefield and crusaders went belly up who was ready to replace them?

It appears to me G Hetherington gets a lot of stick rightly or wrongly, but it would appear he is the only chairman of the bigger clubs not taking a self interest approach to the game and looking at the bigger picture. Ie not just money grabbing for the rhinos and wanting a more even share of Money. It appears to me that if promotion and religation is brought back in for it to work there needs to be a greater sharing of money to championship clubs, to be able to compete when promoted and survive when religated

In the often warranted SL bashing, I personally think we should also have a debate about whether the lower level clubs are also guilty of putting their own self-interest ahead of the game.

The lower clubs have every right to bang on the door of super league and have a system put in place that allows them to the top table in a sustainable way. I support them in that. However, gleefully jumping on the bandwagon of the 3x8 option does you no credit. That pathetic option isn't in the game's best interest, its in the little clubs best interest. It is the most absurd fudge of an idea I've ever come across in sport.

Worse than no-rules licensing, really?!

I'm not sure why Fax support the 3x8 unless they see it as the least worst option on the table. Realisticly no Championship club has a hope of promotion under the 3x8 system. It might see a few bigger gates for championship clubs but that's it.

If I were at a championship club I'd want straight P&R, 1 up 1 down.

The worst part of the 3x8s idea was that the RFL were to allow teams to spend the same SC as the SL clubs if they could prove they could afford it. Which would mean we had a team paying SL wages competing in the championship, it would absolutely destroy the lower leagues, with 3 or 4 clubs pretending to be SL clubs and paying full time SL wages, and clubs nearer the bottom getting less than a £100k in funding and being no better than they are now. The disparity in that league would be massive.

I'm with you on this

Solution?

The fans should hold off from renewing season tickets until the structural changes are all sorted and agreed upon. That would speed up the process.