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Quote: mark_m "Warrington have now beaten the champion 'best side in the league' four times this season. Can't argue with the fact we deserve to be in the Final.'"


Warrington deserve to be in the final as they have qualified for the final. icon_thumb.gif

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My money is on Warrington one of the 2 best teams in the comp this season and just beaten the other best team.
They will have learned a bit from the loss in the Final last season so I,m expecting them to come up with the goods on the second attempt.

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I'm supprised no one has jumped on the best commetary of the evening which was;

Phil Clarke; "Maybe it's not that the older players are more experienced than the younger ones, it's just that they have played in more games!"

Shaun McRae "That's called experience Phil" I wet myself laughing at that.

As a neutral, would have loved to have seen Huddersfield vs Wire in the Grand Final then there would have definately have been a new name on the trophy, but think it could be Warrington's year this year, however Leeds have proved time after time, that they cannot be written off, regardless of their final standing. Just hope tonights game and the final are both crackers.

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I would have loved to see Huddersfield and their 500 fans in the grand final
however it wasn't to be, so I wish warrington good luck next week against leeds or wigan,
despite mr silverwoods blindness to warrington's discrepancies they deserved their win and no complaints from me, we just missed out last night, but we are slowly building and if you don't reach the summit first time, you come back down and start again icon_smile.gif

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Quote: Starbug "Complete bollox, you attempt to score every play, if you dont, you take the lesser option'"


This isn't tag rugby. Your mentality is stupid. How much rugby at this level do you watch?

When theres so long left, you have to build pressure and territory. With pressure and territory, normally comes the points. In a grand final eliminator this is something which can take half a dozen sets of completing, good kicking and good chase with you starting the 1st tackle gradually further up the field each set. Normally penalties and mistakes can speed up the issue but in a grand final semi the standard is normally higher and you have to work damn hard for position, and then build pressure with drop outs when you get it.

Brough's option was f*cking dumb at that stage in the game, bottom line. He sacrificed a good 40 yards of field position and warrington scored from the resultant field position. He did it last week v hull when hudds were 30 up and phil clarke actually commented that it's not normally an option you would see in the playoffs unless a last resort.

Brough's option was a low percentage play. The chances are you will lose alot of field position which can take sets and sets to recover and warrington made them pay.

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Quote: jpk3lly "I'm supprised no one has jumped on the best commetary of the evening which was;

Phil Clarke; "Maybe it's not that the older players are more experienced than the younger ones, it's just that they have played in more games!"

Shaun McRae "That's called experience Phil" I wet myself laughing at that.

As a neutral, would have loved to have seen Huddersfield vs Wire in the Grand Final then there would have definately have been a new name on the trophy, but think it could be Warrington's year this year, however Leeds have proved time after time, that they cannot be written off, regardless of their final standing. Just hope tonights game and the final are both crackers.'"


I'm not completly sure what he was getting at but the point stevo made was simplistic. Just because a player is old or has played alot of games doesn't mean his is always more experienced. It depends how you quantify it.

Hypothetical example, zak hardaker is young and hasn't played many games yet he's played in 2 grand finals. You could get a 30 year old played hundreds of games but has no experience in a grand final. Who is more experienced on the occasion?

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I actually think stevo contradicted himself anyway at some point though i could be wrong, because at one point he said more games = more experience.

Yet on another occasion he made the point hudds would lack experience as they have not played in this type of game as much, yet hudds have many players within their team who qualified as experienced under stevo's first definition.

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Quote: jpk3lly "I'm supprised no one has jumped on the best commetary of the evening which was;

Phil Clarke; "Maybe it's not that the older players are more experienced than the younger ones, it's just that they have played in more games!"

Shaun McRae "That's called experience Phil" I wet myself laughing at that'"


It was hilarious icon_smile.gif

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Quote: FlexWheeler "
When theres so long left, you have to build pressure and territory. With pressure and territory, normally comes the points. In a grand final eliminator this is something which can take half a dozen sets of completing, good kicking and good chase with you starting the 1st tackle gradually further up the field each set. Normally penalties and mistakes can speed up the issue but in a grand final semi the standard is normally higher and you have to work damn hard for position, and then build pressure with drop outs when you get it.

Brough's option was f*cking dumb at that stage in the game, bottom line. He sacrificed a good 40 yards of field position and warrington scored from the resultant field position. He did it last week v hull when hudds were 30 up and phil clarke actually commented that it's not normally an option you would see in the playoffs unless a last resort.

Brough's option was a low percentage play. The chances are you will lose alot of field position which can take sets and sets to recover and warrington made them pay.'"


No you dont need to build pressure and territory, if you are losing you need to score, simple as, now if you want attempt to appear clever, just as mr Clark did and does on a regular basis

Building pressure and territory is nothing more than a by product of attempting and failing to score, you watch the Aussies this winter, they will just score, they will try to score every time they have the ball, simple as

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Stupid Leeds, scoring instead of building pressure, It'll cost them in the end icon_lol.gif

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" If Wigan score next ( taking a 12 point lead ) they will be firm favourites " icon_lol.gif

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Shaun Wane needs to get the message out to his team " stop scoring, build pressure instead " icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Starbug "No you dont need to build pressure and territory, if you are losing you need to score, simple as, now if you want attempt to appear clever, just as mr Clark did and does on a regular basis

Building pressure and territory is nothing more than a by product of attempting and failing to score, you watch the Aussies this winter, they will just score, they will try to score every time they have the ball, simple as'"


So, tackle four, on your own 10. Are you putting this through hands or looking for an offload in traffic to score? Or are you running a simple drive up the middle for a quick PTB to set up the kick?

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Dozy Leeds again, trying to score instead of building pressure icon_lol.gif

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