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| Quote: SmokeyTA "last week hudds had only 1 player under 22 in their squad, only 3 under 25. both weeks before that only 1 under 22 in their squad. The week before that they had a whole 2 players under 22 in their squad and again the week before that and the week before that. In the week prior they had only 1. The week before that at Les Catalans they had 0. The week prior back to 1. Prior to that they had 3 (though one of them was a loan from Warrington).
In fact that seems to be the most players who arent yet 23 now, that Hudds have fielded all season.
Last night Leeds fielded 4. Singleton, Sutcliffe, Watkins and Hardaker, as did Wigan
I'd actually disagree and say Leeds are a relatively young squad, with the obvious exceptions, and I think what you've posted shows that. I'd also say Wigan are also. I guess we just have different definitions of 'young' sides.
Agree to disagree I guess. What I will say is that all three should be applauded for the British and young (ish if that's better ) sides at the top of SL.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "Brough has led a young underdog side to the top of the league for the first time in 81 years. I think that's a far bigger achievement than leading a champion side with a huge squad to third.'"
Brough used a platform laid by the pack in front of him. He hasn't led the team.
Underdogs? Young? Aren't all squad sizes the same?
How many players have Hudds had missing all year? The side picked for the Bulls game is full of fringe players who have not played until now.
Hull fan goes for Brough shocker.
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| Quote: BiffasBoys "Quote: BiffasBoys "Brough used a platform laid by the pack in front of him. He hasn't led the team'" .
He has led the pack all around the park with his kicking and put the pack into the places they should be
Quote: BiffasBoys "Underdogs? Young? Aren't all squad sizes the same?'"
Did you back them to win the LLS, Did anyone. Most pundits had them finishing 6 or 7. Where were Leeds predicted to finish with all their Internationals. Did you expect them to finish the season well or were you waiting for them to collapse like everyone else said they would.
Quote: BiffasBoys "How many players have Hudds had missing all year?'"
Fielden and Luke O'Donnell our two marquee signings played 7 games between them. Chan in the second row missed 2 thirds of the season ( saying that we have had a relatively settled squad)
Quote: BiffasBoys "The side picked for the Bulls game is full of fringe players who have not played until now.'"
Some of them have played Leeming and Blackmore etc.
Quote: BiffasBoys "Hull fan goes for Brough shocker'" .'"
Possibly because he thinks it is the right decision ?
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| Quote: Durham Giant "Possibly because he thinks it is the right decision ?'"
Brough has been given time & space to work by a go forward pack. Lunt has been instrumental in feeding Brough & Robinson with the ball to work from.
Fielder a marque signing? A you having a laugh? Squad player, nothing more.
O'Donnell a loss & I've already mentioned Chan.
Compare that to the number of Ames missed by first 17 at Leeds. Massive difference in down time. McGuire, Sinfield, JJB, Bailey etc etc.
Look at the side Leeds put out at Galpharm in June.
Hudds have had a great season, no doubt, but to suggest Brough has performed a similar feat as Peacock has is bordering on risible.
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| Peacock has been outstanding in every game i have seen him play and would get my vote... he has more carries and meters than any other player in the league.
Brough has stunk the place out 3 times in 3 defeats at the hands of warrington this season... for that reason its Peackock for me.
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| I think we need to remember its now voted for by the players themselves, so its asmuch as a popularity contest than anything else! is Brough a popular figure with the players?
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| Quote: christopher "I think we need to remember its now voted for by the players themselves, so its asmuch as a popularity contest than anything else! is Brough a popular figure with the players?'"
That could be a bit of a disservice, there is a guy at my place who is a proper tool and I can’t stand him but he is good at his job and I recognise that… maybe the players will vote purely on what happens on the field?
For what it’s worth, my vote this year would be Peacock, an absolutely fantastic prop who has just been announced in the BBC team for the World Cup when I would have him in the England team in an instant
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| Quote: morleys_deckchair "Peacock has been outstanding in every game i have seen him play and would get my vote... he has more carries and meters than any other player in the league.
Brough has stunk the place out 3 times in 3 defeats at the hands of warrington this season... for that reason its Peackock for me.'"
So Peacock hasn't had any bad games this year?
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| Quote: BiffasBoys "Brough used a platform laid by the pack in front of him. He hasn't led the team.
Underdogs? Young? Aren't all squad sizes the same?
How many players have Hudds had missing all year? The side picked for the Bulls game is full of fringe players who have not played until now.
Hull fan goes for Brough shocker.'"
So what you're saying is that a half back could never be the player of the year?
And that his superior kicking game hasn't laid any platforms?
And that him being the captain and organiser isn't leading the team?
And that a side that no one had tipped to finish top and are tipping to win the GF despite being top aren't underdogs?
And that some clubs have well established youth systems that churn out SL players and some don't?
I haven't argued that Hudds have had players out or that Leeds haven't. But I don't think that's enough to justify picking Peacock as MOS. Many don't even think Peacock should even be picked for England if he came out of retirement.
Your arguments come across as someone who has ignored huge parts of the game.
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "So Peacock hasn't had any bad games this year?'"
did you read my post properly?
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| Quote: Wellsy13 "So what you're saying is that a half back could never be the player of the year?
And that his superior kicking game hasn't laid any platforms?
And that him being the captain and organiser isn't leading the team?
And that a side that no one had tipped to finish top and are tipping to win the GF despite being top aren't underdogs?
And that some clubs have well established youth systems that churn out SL players and some don't?
I haven't argued that Hudds have had players out or that Leeds haven't. But I don't think that's enough to justify picking Peacock as MOS. Many don't even think Peacock should even be picked for England if he came out of retirement.
Your arguments come across as someone who has ignored huge parts of the game.'"
Rangi Chase is a prop?
Superior kicking game? Relative to who? Who creates the time by putting the defensive line on the back foot?
Who was tipped to finish top & win the GF?
You don't have to have argued about injury hit sides to have it pointed out to you.
Peacock has led a battered, injury ravaged squad through 27 rounds to third place. He has done that by leading from the front on the field & inspiring his players to get result they shouldn't have.
Brough does not lead the line, he is a second phase style half back. You never see him take the line on to try & break tackles. Quality player, but nowhere near the leader & genuine MOS that Peacock is.
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| Perhaps Peacock could be awarded the Golden Boot as a sweetener for being overlooked for Man of Steel whilst at Leeds?
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| Quote: BiffasBoys "Brough does not lead the line, he is a second phase style half back. You never see him take the line on to try & break tackles. '"
Ahhh, so you've never watched Brough play. Makes sense now.
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| Quote: Little Ivor "Ahhh, so you've never watched Brough play. Makes sense now.'"
Seen him play several times this season. at game & on Sky. Go & count the number of times he actually takes the line on as opposed to kicks or passing.
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| Can't understand people saying Peacock, aren't Leeds players still excluded?
(he has had an astounding season - arguably his best at leeds despite his age. Would have thought brough will win thought as of late the award seems to go to more eyecatching players - not that i'm saying he wouldn't be a worthy winner)
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