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| My post was answering a question posed by tb, are you one and the same?
Assuming you agree the current reality isn't working then what would you propose for the future of our sport, indeed you may think all is wonderful and state so.
I look forward to your reply.
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| Quote: maurice "My post was answering a question posed by tb, are you one and the same?'" There is a private message function for you to use if that’s what you want to do,
Quote: maurice "Assuming you agree the current reality isn't working then what would you propose for the future of our sport, indeed you may think all is wonderful and state so.
I look forward to your reply.'" I don’t assume the current system, by and large isn’t working. Of the three clubs who have gone bust, one was a risk, a risk we were all aware of but a risk all the same. Doesn’t make it wrong to try but we were all aware it could fail. The other 2, in Wakefield and Bradford, are both clubs who everyone was aware werent being run very well for a matter of years. P+R or any other system you care to think of would make no difference at all to those situations. They would in fact exacerbate them.
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| Quote: "SMOKEYTA said - I don’t assume the current system, by and large isn’t working. Of the three clubs who have gone bust, one was a risk, a risk we were all aware of but a risk all the same. Doesn’t make it wrong to try but we were all aware it could fail. The other 2, in Wakefield and Bradford, are both clubs who everyone was aware werent being run very well for a matter of years. P+R or any other system you care to think of would make no difference at all to those situations. They would in fact exacerbate them.'"
Completely agree. Whilst it is correct that the RFL should review P+R in light of recent events, it would be a knee jerk reaction to have a massive change (yet again).
What RL in whole needs is stability, not changing everything every few years (including the actual rules of the game).
I believe new fans are put off because we can't stick to a set of rules for longer than a few years. Make minor amendments, yes, but not wholesale changes.
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| as an additional point:
I am only aware of three sports that have introduced P&R between separate pro and semi pro comps: football in the mid 80s; RU and RL in the mid 90s when the introduced fully/ openly pro comps in the mid 90s.
The two that have stuck with it (though there are perennial mutterings in RU about moving to a license system) are those that introduced it when they became awash with the lind of money RL can only dream of.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "There is a private message function for you to use if that’s what you want to do,
I don’t assume the current system, by and large isn’t working. Of the three clubs who have gone bust, one was a risk, a risk we were all aware of but a risk all the same. Doesn’t make it wrong to try but we were all aware it could fail. The other 2, in Wakefield and Bradford, are both clubs who everyone was aware werent being run very well for a matter of years. P+R or any other system you care to think of would make no difference at all to those situations. They would in fact exacerbate them.'"
Is that your answer? Is my assumption that you feel everything is fine correct or will you write down your visions and a brief support of them for us to critique.
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| Quote: maurice "Is that your answer? Is my assumption that you feel everything is fine correct or will you write down your visions and a brief support of them for us to critique.'"
By and large i think we are ok, there are improvements to be made but these will be minor amendments rather than a radical overhaul.
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| Quote: tb "as an additional point
I am only aware of RL from Englands historic team sports that doesn't have promotion/relegation. RU, Football and Cricket all do. So what makes RL so special that it doesn't anymore ?
We need to bridge the gap between divisions and within divisions, 2 FT divisions may do that.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "By and large i think we are ok, there are improvements to be made but these will be minor amendments rather than a radical overhaul.'"
What improvements do you feel need to be made, why and what are your solutions.
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| Quote: maurice "What improvements do you feel need to be made, why and what are your solutions.'"
I think the three year aspect should be dropped, if a club is ready, it is ready why bother waiting for an arbitrary time period.
I think the Salary Cap needs a major re-valuation, it clearly doesn’t stop clubs overspending but it does stop our clubs competing for the best players. It also stops clubs in bringing in the “big names” and the associated benefits that can bring.
I think clubs could work together a bit better, things like a centralised ticketing system, would be useful.
I think we could also market the game and individual rounds a bit better, for example, we have a Leeds/Bradford derby, a Saints/Wigan derby, a Hull derby, televised every easter, lets make that the ‘heritage round ‘get them in heritage jerseys, some of the old boys parading around the pitch, video packages on the big screens etc. focus on getting full houses for that round, sell some heritage jerseys etc. First round of the season play a game a night for the week, offer them all to sky or look to a half Magic weekend to start the season, have Leeds V Wakefield, Cas v Bradford, the Hull Derby and try and sell out St James’ Park or Elland Road, or Bramall Lane on the Saturday with something similar repeated at the other side of the pennies on the Sunday.
There are lots of little improvements we can make, but I don’t see the need for another (our 3rd or 4th in the last 20 years) major overhaul of the game.
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| Thank you for that, and for the clubs not in SL at present or are you saying that as soon as a club hits the 2500 gates, jnr structures and stadium it should be in?
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| I think when they are ready, and when the league can support them, we promote them. How we judge that is up for debate.
Id be tempted to look at something similar to the NFL where a clubs acceptance is voted for by the clubs existing in the league.
Or an ‘expansion board’ with say 3 reps of the SL clubs, 1 from a community aspect, and 2 independants who will look at when we can expand, by how many, the process for entry and who gets in.
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| Quote: ap1717 "Instead of squabbling how about discussing the logistics of any proposed league restructure...
As of next year the leagues will probably go SL
They should be able to manage the number of games as that's how mamy the NCL has. The issue would be with the standard of clubs you'd be pushing down a division that would be too good.
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| Quote: maurice "I am only aware of RL from Englands historic team sports that doesn't have promotion/relegation. RU, Football and Cricket all do. So what makes RL so special that it doesn't anymore ?
We need to bridge the gap between divisions and within divisions, 2 FT divisions may do that.'"
Cricket does not. And never has had. Try teading and responding to what I actually wrote,
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| Quote: tb "Cricket does not. And never has had.'"
Yes they do. In the County Championship Middlesex and Surrey got promoted and Yorkshire and Hampshire got relegated.
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| Quote: tb "Cricket does not. And never has had. Try teading and responding to what I actually wrote,'"
Apology accepted.
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