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Whether or not some people like 'the biff', punching is against the rules. In typical style Hock thoughtlessly lashed out at an opponent, provoking the brawl which effectively changed the course of the game. If Hock had behaved himself, or even just sneered at LMS, he may have scored another belter or two to match his first half try, and Wigan may have won by sixty points - going a long way for Pie fans as revenge for their 75-nil Saints defeat a few years ago. Don't think that the Aussies don't know this, which is why he can't play for England if we want to have 13 men on the field for more than ten minutes.

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I think the whole thing was set up as far as Wigan are concerned. I would love to see the RFL disciplinary committee ask them why their front row was made up of the players it was, given that they weren't playing prop at the time they packed down and both were very keen on fighting.

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Nowt wrong with a bit of biff - thought Kelvin Skerret was back when it 1st kicked off.

was good to watch but ateotd the rules state red card for vioeltn conduct so by the laws of the game they had to go.

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Quote: Saddened! "I think the whole thing was set up as far as Wigan are concerned. I would love to see the RFL disciplinary committee ask them why their front row was made up of the players it was, given that they weren't playing prop at the time they packed down and both were very keen on fighting.'"


A good point from Saddo there.

At 34-6 up in the derby with half an hour left, Wigan made a conscious decision to start a brawl and risk dismissals and suspensions.

Then again, we needed something to give us a challenge as Saints certainly weren't capable of providing it.

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The game showed brilliantly the pros and cons of having Hock in your team. Devastating ball runner, but thick as two short planks. Quite why he was even bothering to try and get one over on LMS at that scoreline and point in the game I have no idea. All he needed to do was point to the scoreboard and laugh instead of starting or at least encouraging the start of a fight.

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Hock was sent off for what has happenned in RL since the game started - a niggle in the scrum between two props results in a few punches attempting to be thrown.

Most of the time a penalty is given and the players told to calm down. Yellow cards at most to take the heat out.

To give only one a red seems slightly OTT - and probably down to Hock's reputation.

To then be banned for it is way OTT.

Hock and LMS weren't responsible for the brawl that errupted afterwards. Magennis was the player who then threw the next one - the majority of the blame for the brawl lies with him - otherwise it was just two props having a bit of a dust up.

Either way - if thaler had given 4 yellow cards no-one would be having this debate, and it completely takes away from where the real focus of the game should be - Wigan spanking Saints.

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Quote: Saddened! "I think the whole thing was set up as far as Wigan are concerned. I would love to see the RFL disciplinary committee ask them why their front row was made up of the players it was, given that they weren't playing prop at the time they packed down and both were very keen on fighting.'"


"Better to remain quiet and be thought an idiot, than to type something and prove it"

You had been already buried. Stains were the only team with a reason to get nasty and niggly. Lets not forget, we can only comment on what we saw, cameras don't always confirm a try for example. Yes we can have "benefit of the doubt", but can any of us truely say we know exactly what happened in minites and seconds leading up to the incident. You seem to speak with great authourity Saddo, but i don't recall seeing you on the pitch!! Or maybe you were wearing a Wellens mask, as a soon to be retired centre ran away from a, should be retired fullback.

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How good was the touch judge's take on proceedings?

"That Magennis copped him with a right beauty"

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LMS is a wind-up merchant, he knew what he was doing with Hock, not that there is anything wrong with that. If Hock is serious about playing against the Aussies he needs to grow up because that will be going on in every scrum. As for Magenniss and Tuson, bit of biff, quite entertaining.

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Quote: Cronus "The 'headbanging' in the scrum was 50/50. Both players shoved each other's heads, both banged heads a few times and and Hock rolled his head under LMS. Then they stood up. At no point did Hock stick his head in, even after it kicked off.

I'm happy to hold my hands up when players are in the wrong and Hock was stupid to escalate things, but don't make up events that didn't happen. Or at least make an effort to defend yourself and prove your point when you do.'"


You are so critical of others views and tell people to watch the incident again but you seem to not understand what started the incident in the first place... which is obvious to me!

It was not 50/50 headbanging in the scrum, it was numpty Hock who decided, for some reason only known to himself and his few remaining brain cells, to try and take the head from LMS at the scrum. Hock is clearly trying to unlawfully take the outside head at a Saints head and feed, and LMS is quite entitled to try and take the outside head. It then turns into hang bags as Hock continues to dip his head under LMS's to take the outside head and LMS, quite rightly, keeps trying to take it back. When both props then decide enough is enough and stand, it is Hock who takes hold of LMS and starts throwing the punches.

LMS does not do a great deal wrong IMO other than stand up to Hock's stupidity in trying to take the head. Hock quite rightly saw a card, the colour of which is up for debate, but equally I think Hock's actions are worthy of at least a one to two match suspension.... I think LMS will be playing at the weekend and also rightly so!

I think you should take another look!

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Lee Mossop: Rule: 15.1(a) Detail – Punching Grade B MRP - Referred to tribunal (1-2 matches)

Chris Tuson: Rule: 15.1(a) Detail – Punching - Sustained Grade C MRP - Referred to tribunal (2-3 matches)

Gareth Hock: Rule: 15.1(a) Detail – Punching Grade B MRP - Referred to tribunal (1-2 matches)

Shaun Magennis: Rule: 15.1(a) Detail – Punching – Violent/Sustained Grade D MRP - Referred to tribunal (3-5 matches)

Louie McCarthy-Scarsbrook: Player becomes involved in confrontation with opponent but does not throw punches. MRP - NFA

That's all I can see at the minute!

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Quote: RichieFC86 "Lee Mossop

My prediction -

Lee Mossop: 1 match

Chris Tuson: 3 matches

Gareth Hock: 2 matches (although I think it might only be 1... lets see!)

Shaun Magennis: 4 matches (if they give Tuson 3... if they give Tuson only 2 then I think Magennis will only get 3)

LMS has no case to answer... which is obvious to the unbiased!

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Problem is that British league is too influenced by the sport of football, and their over-reactive, think-of-the-children attitudes are infecting our game.

The biff puts nobody off the game. State of Origin is the most watched League game in the world, is that coincidence? I don't think I've seen any fact-based argument for the odd punch-up holding back the sport. It's a claim that people make, but never put weight to.

I also think it hurts us internationally, because when the pressure cooker is turned up our players and fans alike look to the referees to win us the game and referee as soft as they do in SL games, which isn't going to happen.

In the NRL if a minor dust-up like that had 3 players red carded, in a world class derby game of all places, the media and fans would explode with anger and the referee would probably be sent back to reserve grade. I've heard commentators blow up when players are sin binned for a scrap( storm vs dragons- the biff is back, on Youtube)

I don't even believe a red card would have been shown in rugby yawnion, the sport where they eat prawn sandwiches and Pâté on toast at half time

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