Classic mistake you've made there - TMFMISL etc was only coined in about 2010 in direct response to the fact that every week opposition fans felt the need to come onto southstander and start a thread about Bailey being useless and/or a thug.

We now just have one perminent Bailey thread

As long as Cockayne has a gig in SL Bailey is safe from this accusation.

I note that many posters who dislike Bailey have accused him of being a "niggler".

Freudian spelling mistakes?

WOW, just WOW, where the hell has this thread gone? There is either some major wind up merchants at play or some people that don't know how to have a sensible conversation.

After reading some of the tripe thats been written, especially about my thoughts on Bailey lets remember why this thread started.

Bailey pushes the referee, gives him verbals and get suspended for it. I brought up the guy has past for acting like this and I don't understand how he is in the England squad?

Why is Bailey being discussed? Because its a thread about Bailey getting suspended?

I notice no one challenged my stats on his 25 meetings with the Disciplinary meetings compared to Peacocks 4 in three years?

There's a lot of players I don't think are worth their England Squad, and a lot of players I find that rather than tough or hard playing, are actually just dirty cheap shotters. Bailey to me is one of these players, and if he could take this attitude out of his game and concentrate on what he's meant to be doing he would be a far FAR better player in my eyes.

I am not sure if 25 meetings with the disciplinary in 3 years is correct or not. It seems a lot but I will take your word for it. How many of those 25 meetings resulted in a ban?

25 meetings?

Thats nearly as many hidings hes had from opposition players!

Ok, I'll challenge it now for you.

Have you just gone down the list of reports on the RFL's "Disciplinary" webpage to get that number?

You do realise those are all incidents reviewed by the video panel, and that some (if not most) of those incidents lead to conclusions of no further action, penalty sufficient or even not guilty?

So not all of those incidents will have resulted in trips to the disclipinary.

How dare you bring facts into this. He's a thug.

FACT.

End of.

True I've counted the number of times the disciplinary panel have looked at him, but then again I did this for all other players as a comparison. Of the last 4 cases, he was given two suspensions, one caution and one NFA (no further action).

The Comparison still shows the stats in comparison to other players, he gets pulled around 6 times more often than Peacock, and I'm pretty sure Peacock has played more games.

However Ben Westwood has also been pulled 25 times and Joel Tomkins 24 times. Which goes to show that they're all as dirty as each other.

I'd like to challenge you on that. I was not aware Bailey had been charged with pushing a referee before. Do you have any evidence to support that?

Just looking for the lengthy threads which express all-round bile for those players.
Since when was I the moral conscience of the forum? I agree the comments above are dumb and are hardly how I'm putting him across.

Upset about Westwood? Make a thread about it next time one of them gets banned or suspended and we'll discuss whether they're a dirty player.

If you read one of my other posts today I said Fozzard would raise his forearm into people's face when driving it in. There's no witch hunt here, however sometimes I feel Leeds fans stoke the fire abit by the lack of any credibility when they're trying to defend Bailey.

You spout this nonsense and then have the nerve to say that Leeds fans lack "any credibility" when defending Bailey in your next? You're priceless.

So Bailey has past misdemeanor's against his name - tell me a forward who hasn't
His 'constant' knee raising is not constant at all is it? If you're being half as objective as you claim to be then you need to rephrase that and instead use the word 'occasional'

And his 'antics' at the end of last years GF? You mean celebrating? What a beast of a man, what a terror, what an abomination.

Just because you take a little bit more care in your wording doesn't mean that your opinion dressed up as fact should carry any more weight than people who come on and say "He's a thug, end of."

The reason that we Leeds fans feel the need to defend Bailey isn't because we believe him to be a faultless angel, but because opposition fans, for whatever reason, seem hell bent on painting him as the devil himself. People punching a defenceless Bailey are hailed as heroes and he's the thug? He's a coward somehow, but after both the Fa'asavlu and Radford incidents (if memory serves) he took the next carry. Yes he's niggly, but he's not the niggliest player in SL, yes he's aggressive but he's certainly not the most aggressive in SL, so where does all the hate come from? Perception, misconception and oft peddled myth, and very very little to do with fact.