Look at the reaction of the players around it. Hull players congratulate him on a great hit, and London players do nothing. Say no more

I suggest people see the eddy pettybourne tackle from yesterday here in Oz and compare it to Moa's tackle. You'll see that Moa's was nothing in comparison and as I've said, in oz, they cop out and put you on report.

I watched Sam Moa's again and even as a London fan, I think it isn't a sending off offence. It was just a shoulder charge that had the unfortunate consequence of the point of contact and the result of that contact.

Watch Pettybourne and see he actually jumps into Stanley with an arm raised. Moa's was more of a deliberate attempt to barge.

This. And I'll add that not one of the London players had a problem with the tackle at the time, plus a number of players from various clubs have tweeted that it was never a red card.

A few people on here need to get over themselves.

Really, you need to look up the definitions of "reckless" and "careless". Moa's tackle was reckless and careless. He charged at a smaller man without ensuring that he would contact below the neck - reckless. He went for the big shot and unintentionally misjudged the area of contact due to speed of play - careless.

As an aside, on the subject of what players do or don't tweet, can I just point out that in nearly every penalty given in a game, there is usually a player who thinks it was never a penalty, and the ref is a one-eyed biased b*stard, [ieven when there is clear evidence that the referee's decision was correct [/i!

Seriously, some Hull fans are doing themselves no favours on this thread. And I say that as someone with no particular axe to grind here. It was a perfectly good decision.

You were writing posts like this before I went to bed. I've seen the incident again this morning and I still don't think its a red card.

I can't see what either player could have done to avoid it without shirking his duty as a player.

What I can see is with these drawn out posts of yours within this arguament, is that your wasting your time, as your not going to change my mind, thats for sure.

Awesome hit!

Julien Rinaldi is 5'10" tall. Sam Moa is 6'0". If you look at the replay, Moa's knees are bent (whether you think that's for extra power or not is irrelevant) so that his shoulder was lower than it would be if he was upright. Rinaldi dipped into the tackle, so Moa could hardly be said to be reckless.



No. He went for a big shot and the area of contact changed at the final moment due to the speed of play. It's only careless if [ievery[/i single other shoulder charge tackle can be deemed to be careless.



Do you know of any current players who agree that it ought to have been a sending off?



As has already been pointed out to you, there are plenty of people who are not Hull fans who agree that it shouldn't have been a sending off.

If this was a televised match in oz,Silverwood would never be reffing a match again,at least 5 of these happen in every origin match and long may that continue.
If he doesn't get sending off sufficient,then the games gone for me.

P.S. Morley made his carrier here and in oz by doing these type of tackles and that's why he has been one the best forwards of his generation.

I dislocated my knee when i got tackled round the legs once, as my leg was planted should we ban leg tackles too? Muddy pitches?

You might want to watch the replay a few times before making such definite statements. First contact is on the shoulder/chest and only then bounces up to connect with the chin. By your own definitions used earlier in the thread this would be a penalty at worst. You might also like to examine the trajectory of the two players leading up to the impact and the time it all took. When Moa begins his run he would have hit Rinaldi square on in the chest; a second or so before impact Rinaldi changes direction and angles his body, leading to the impact to be a little higher and bouncing up to hit his chin. You would have to have superhuman reflexes to adjust to that or to pull out of the tackle.

IMO - and the opinion of any number of ex and current players - this was neither reckless nor careless and therefore not a red card offence. I'm also convinced that had it not been for the Tommy Lee incident on Friday the red card would not have been shown.

That argument has too many flaws in it for me to even consider a constructed reply

It does appear that certain people seem to think Moa is some sort of Giant when in fact the height difference is only 5cm. Some have suggested its reckless because Moa is much taller so should have known he would contact the head which is clearly nonsense.

Much like your arguement that a currently legal tackle should be banned in your opinion therefore Moa deserved a red card for using it despite the fact its currently a legal tackle.