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Quote: Dr Hfuhruhurr "Bit different over here, you all play together and there are no winners or losers, it's the taking part that counts.'"



That is absolute b0llocks. There is plenty of competitive sport available for children in this country. There is a problem with a lack of playing fields, but the "all must have prizes" philosophy is just not a factor in British sport development.

And also, Britain actually *does* produce World Class athletes. It sustains a top (but not *absolutely* top) team in the World's leading sport, has three other variously competitive teams in the same sport, has three (and a bit) high quality teams in another major international sport (whose name I won't mention), occasionally produces a decent Cricketer, punches well above its population weight in producing Track and Field Athletes, Rowers, Cyclists, Boxers and Swimmers, and additional to all that also sustains a good-standard domestic competition of Rugby League.

But it's obviously inconvenient for you to think of us a nation that actually punches above our weight at Sport.

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We do punch above our weight when you look at the world but that everyones a winner mentality does exist in schools and its embarassing. I was constantly told off in primary school for having an only winning counts attitude: bloody stupid.

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The current coach education programmes put our lack of decision makers (in all sports) down to the drill based nature that our coaching (again, in all sports) has had for decades - run in and out of cones, queue for your turn, run here and run there. There is a big move nowadays to using games to help kids learn, forcing more decision making onto them. It's harder to coach that way - as soon as you open up from a drill to a game you have so many more different things to look at along with the skill you want to work on. Some kids seem to really benefit from it, some don't, and it's not just down to positions - one half back we had made great progress and another didn't. It's a real culture shock to the players too, them being used to strict drill instructions. Again, so benefit from it and some feel they need strict instructions. I suppose it'll be few years until we really find out how well the change in approach works.

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McNamara was hampered from the start in who he could select for this competition and from what was left he made his choice, which obviously doesn't suit everyone. From that original selection his team choice has been reduced by injuries and players not performing as they have done in SL. So, I am quite happy with the team that he is putting out on Sunday given those circumstances.

In fact I think some of the young players may even make one or two of you "experts" eat your words later on Sunday morning. This Aussie team is nothing like the team that beat us 52 - 4 in Melbourne in the 2008 World Cup but hey, we always have to try and give the opposition a hand in running down our own players. I believe that if our lads go out with belief and cionfidence and play to their natural ability then we are quite capable of turning over these Aussies.

This is a very young England team and it can and will get better as the players gel. Lads like Tompkins S and J, Cudjoe, Briscoe, Lunt, Harrison, etc, will be around the international scene for many years to come so stop knocking them and get behind them. I just hope they have more spherical objects than some of you posting on here!!!!

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Quote: Starbug "So what is their natural defensive game ? , having the Aussie props running at them ? , having Roby or Robinson targeting Lockyer takes them out of the defensive line , they simply move up at the play the ball wherever Lockyer is , if he gets the ball , they tackle him , if he doesn't they dont

RL is a simple game , unfortunatly some people want to make it complicated , they should go watching union'"


Perhaps I misunderstood you, i dont like seeing stand offs making too many tackles, yes they will be targeted, but to put a player like sam or roby on with the single purpose of tackling lockyer seems to be a waste.

Im not saying lockers at 6 is ideal, but he can play a ball playing loose roll well, and its not much different is it?

Austrailia have done it for years and had basicly an extra prop in the back row.

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Quote: "Austrailia have done it for years and had basicly an extra prop in the back row.'"


Provide an example of when the Aussies have played anyone other than an accomplished 6 at 6-Props second rowers etc is fine decision making link men is different

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Quote: east stander "Provide an example of when the Aussies have played anyone other than an accomplished 6 at 6-Props second rowers etc is fine decision making link men is different'"


I meant style player not an actuall loose forward as they can produce players.

Id say a "typical" 6 was more like a dailey than a lewis, wouldnt you?

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Quote: east stander "Provide an example of when the Aussies have played anyone other than an accomplished 6 at 6 ............'"


Well they currently pick a converted full back there icon_wink.gif

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Australia's game against PNG was, just like our game against NZ Maori, their first game in sometime...especially for some players who hadn't played for weeks (Slater and Smith for example). They still managed to score 42 points and not concede any against a team we struggled against in the last WC. I fear, although Australia aren't the same standard as normal, they will still have far too much for us to handle - and yes, could put a heavy score on us. I don't think it'll be 80 points, but it could be 50.

Don't get me wrong...I'm proud to be English and sincerely want England to win and make the final...how funny would it be if Australia failed to make it!?!

The problem is, and has been over the past 10 years or so, our coaching isn't at the same level as Australia. All these players that Eddie and Stevo claim are the next stars in SL just dwindle away or stay at a similar level their whole career. Look at Ellis and Burgess as examples, Ellis was a good player at Wakefield and Leeds...however his game has improved so much in 2 years at Wests. Look at Wigan...for 4/5 years they were average with top players coming in and youngsters (just like now) however they were no where near the top of the league....now in one season under Maguire (a good coach) they've won the league with ease.

So many of the coaches in England (not just SL) aren't developing players to their potential or improving little things that make the difference....one main thing being mental strength! It baffles me why not? For 10 years or more we've set about trying to catch these teams but just can't get near a trophy when it matters.

Realistically, England have 2 teams in the world to compete with for titles - NZ and Aus.....yet for 40 years we've failed. Thats 40 years where our coaching and playing skill set has constantly been behind our rivals. That in any sport is not good enough. Look at our RU (who won the RWC in 2003 and made the final in 2007) brothers...they have NZ, Australia, South Africa, Ireland, France just to name a few who could win trophies.....then look at football, England have atleast 8 teams who are ahead of them.

Why are the RFL so slow and insular in their approach to change things when we have barely any competition to compete with...yet still fail?

Anyway....come on England, lets try and end 40 years of hurt and get within 30 points of Australia on Sunday!

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Quote: craigizzard "That is absolute b0llocks. '"


Really? I'm speaking with experience, two boys that went to a Primary School that banned sports day and had an 'inclusion day' instead. Maybe you have kids (god help them) and have had a different experience, or maybe you're at Primary School now, I'd be interested to know.

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Quote: Toulouse for super L "Is Ryan Hall injured?'"


No, he just wasnt selected. Its not really a shock as Goulding played well last week and Hall was very poor against NZ Maori.

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Quote: brearley84 "o'loughlin in that position
Brown has been awful the last 2 weeks and is a major weakness in defence. If whoever plays stand off can tackle for a start, and even if they do nothing else, then it is a big improvement on what Brown has provided in the last 2 weeks. O'Loughlin has played well when he has played at stand off for Wigan this year and offers a lot more than Brown at this level.

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At least the Aussies have alot of injuries in the centres, Tate and Tonga are good but I'd rather play them than GI, Lyon, Jennings, Hodges etc

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Quote: Dr Hfuhruhurr "Really? I'm speaking with experience, two boys that went to a Primary School that banned sports day and had an 'inclusion day' instead. Maybe you have kids (god help them) and have had a different experience, or maybe you're at Primary School now, I'd be interested to know.'"


Ha ha.

Yes I do have kids (5 and 9), for the youngest sports & races are exactly what they should be at that age: fun games. The eldest does have competitive races at school, and he also plays football and basketball on a skills level, which I also think is preferable in developing sportsmen to what I remember at that age: which was running after a ball with no real instruction and the biggest/most confident kid getting hold of it and hammering it.

When they get to secondary school, they'll play more competitively and there are opportunities out-of-school if they show aptitude. (It's not a school's job, particularly a primary school's job, to develop sportsmen. It's their job to help develop decent people,and sport is an aid to doing that)

To get back on topic: England aren't lacking half-backs because they chained a potential international 6 to a fat kid to even up a three-legged race when he was seven years old.

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Quote: who needs flankers? "My God! worst decision ever. All lockers can do is tackle (and he does that by taking the oppositions head off), and back up.'"

That statement is clearly inaccurate – O’loughlin has thrown the final pass for many tries this season including some excellent cut out passes to send his wing men into the corner. He may not be England’s ideal stand off and certainly wouldn’t be playing there if McNamara had a full strength squad but to say all he can do is tackle and back up does both him and you a disservice

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