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Quote: Kingmaker "Not so sure it would. At the risk of going way OT with this; Union is huge internationally and there's plenty of places who don't have top level club on their doorstep. It's generally because the BBC show it and make a big deal out of it. I know loads of people in Hull who like watching England RU, might even head down to Twickenham a couple of times a year, but probably couldn't name a union club. Sale and Newcastle are the only semi-big union clubs in the whole of the north of England, so I actually think the desperation to expand and fast track at club level in RL is unnecessary.

People in Aldershot don't just support, watch and attend England football games because Aldershot FC exists. It's all about national exposure when it comes to international sport. More people watch curling in this country than England RL FFS. Why? Because the BBC put it on.'"

Is the difference the amount of grass root clubs, then? I grew up in Ormskirk which is very near St Helens (hence my allegence) and Wigan, but I played rugby union. i played it at school and then joined the local club when I left and managed 10 years of 1st team before I retired last year. So I obviously will take an iterest in the big RU internationals.
Where I now live in Liverpool, I can think of 3 RU clubs in a stones throw (Sefton, Liverpool Collegiete and Mossley Hill) and a couple more in the surrounding area. I've played games of RU in St helens (Ruskin Park, LSH & West Park), in Wigan (Wigan RU and the Orrell Anvils, who are now all that's left of the Orrell Club) as well as Warrington and Widnes.
The vast increase in grass roots being played in the london area will go a long way to increasing our profile in the face of other sports and is the key to promoting us, but its a long term plan.

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good thread this, quite rare to see a sensible discussion between mainly hull and rovers supporters. as far as im concerned i dont have a problem with rovers or any other club doing this as long as its in the rules. the rfl can't bleat about clubs having too many overseas players if they create the rules whereby clubs can take advantage of certain loopholes. if they are serious about the international game they should put the ground rules in place to prevent clubs taking on too many overseas players.
and its also interesting that as the aussie dollar strenghtens against the pound, less of the 'average' players want to come over anyway.

the other point about the overseas vs homegrown debate is of course that the aussies don't have anything like the amount of young sportsmen 'lost' to football as we do over here

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can i just say that rovers have contributed to youth players turning pro such as ian kirke leeds john wilkin saints paul cooke wakefield before i get slated he was a rovers youth until hull offered him better terms kirk yeamen also rovers youth because he went with his brother but again snapped up by hull whelam at rovers watts rovers ellis at quins netherton at castleford so dont say rovers havent had good enough youth just they cant hold on to every one and hope they are good enough can they get a grip people we have been in superleague for 4 seasons not 14 like some teams so our set up is no where near as good as some but we are getting there so lay off

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Quote: hullkrforever "can i just say that rovers have contributed to youth players turning pro such as ian kirke leeds john wilkin saints paul cooke wakefield before i get slated he was a rovers youth until hull offered him better terms kirk yeamen also rovers youth because he went with his brother but again snapped up by hull whelam at rovers watts rovers ellis at quins netherton at castleford so dont say rovers havent had good enough youth just they cant hold on to every one and hope they are good enough can they get a grip people we have been in superleague for 4 seasons not 14 like some teams so our set up is no where near as good as some but we are getting there so lay off'"


Is this the monkeys first attempt at shakespeare?

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Quote: hullkrforever "can i just say that rovers have contributed to youth players turning pro such as ian kirke leeds john wilkin saints paul cooke wakefield before i get slated he was a rovers youth until hull offered him better terms kirk yeamen also rovers youth because he went with his brother but again snapped up by hull whelam at rovers watts rovers ellis at quins netherton at castleford so dont say rovers havent had good enough youth just they cant hold on to every one and hope they are good enough can they get a grip people we have been in superleague for 4 seasons not 14 like some teams so our set up is no where near as good as some but we are getting there so lay off'"

Dont waste your breath mate...let the children have their fun

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yea your probably right the green eyed monsters cant stand it can they lol

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Quote: hullkrforever "yea your probably right the green eyed monsters cant stand it can they lol'"


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Are the no amateur teams in hull? No teams to supply the respective academies? Hull KR, that is just embarassing but Hull FC arent exactly great either, unless you are a tongan or over the age of 35

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Quote: Matty_HullFC "www.sporthull.co.uk/headlines/Hull-KR-Robins-seek-extra-quota-options/article-2317949-detail/article.html

So that'd be;

1) Webster
2) Dobson
3) Lovegrove
4) Newton
5) Galea
6) Fisher
7) Vella





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Quote: hullkrforever "can i just say that rovers have contributed to youth players turning pro such as ian kirke leeds john wilkin saints paul cooke wakefield before i get slated he was a rovers youth until hull offered him better terms kirk yeamen also rovers youth because he went with his brother but again snapped up by hull whelam at rovers watts rovers ellis at quins netherton at castleford so dont say rovers havent had good enough youth just they cant hold on to every one and hope they are good enough can they get a grip people we have been in superleague for 4 seasons not 14 like some teams so our set up is no where near as good as some but we are getting there so lay off'"



Watts is from Cas. Do not try and claim him as your own.

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Quote: Fully "Watts is from Cas. Do not try and claim him as your own.'"



so what he come through as a academy player.

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Quote: hullkrforever "can i just say that rovers have contributed to youth players turning pro such as ian kirke leeds john wilkin saints paul cooke wakefield before i get slated he was a rovers youth until hull offered him better terms kirk yeamen also rovers youth because he went with his brother but again snapped up by hull whelam at rovers watts rovers ellis at quins netherton at castleford so dont say rovers havent had good enough youth just they cant hold on to every one and hope they are good enough can they get a grip people we have been in superleague for 4 seasons not 14 like some teams so our set up is no where near as good as some but we are getting there so lay off'"

you are claiming fans and players who came through at other clubs as players developed by Hull KR, what absolute nonsense.

as for you being in SL for only 4 seasons and not having the academy to bring through the necessary players yet, it doesnt explain why Hull KR needed to bring in Rhys Lovegrove instead of a player like Kyle Amor, Ben Fisher instead of a player like Bob Beswick, why you arent giving a go to a player like Danny Allen

there isnt an excuse to immediately go abroad, why pretend you dont have other options, you do, there are young players not quite getting a game at some SL clubs, and some decent players in the lower leagues.

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Quote: SmokeyTA "you are claiming fans and players who came through at other clubs as players developed by Hull KR, what absolute nonsense.

as for you being in SL for only 4 seasons and not having the academy to bring through the necessary players yet, it doesnt explain why Hull KR needed to bring in Rhys Lovegrove instead of a player like Kyle Amor, Ben Fisher instead of a player like Bob Beswick, why you arent giving a go to a player like Danny Allen

there isnt an excuse to immediately go abroad, why pretend you dont have other options, you do, there are young players not quite getting a game at some SL clubs, and some decent players in the lower leagues.'"





Kyle amor was poached by leeds! ben fisher played for rovers before super league!!! dim witted or what d040.gif

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Quote: wilde-robin "Kyle amor was poached by leeds! ben fisher played for rovers before super league!!! dim witted or what
He wasnt poached, he was signed from the lower leagues, which was the point you bloody idiot!. Why arent you going out and signing young talented players from the lower leagues of this country instead of the lower leagues in Australia?

and what does it matter when you signed Ben Fisher, you have been in SL for 4 years now, you have ample opportunity to replace him.

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how am i talking rubbish then wilkin was through rovers acadamy ellis was kirke was ok watts was from cas but has been going through our acadamy so please define how iam speaking rubbish

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