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| Quote: ifkinghatesaints "theres no room for ''bad games'' when it's knockout. If you can't produce the good you aint champion material.'"
Exactly. It always surprises me how many people think the champions should be decided based on who loses the least games, instead of who wins the biggest game. If a team cannot get to and win the Grand Final they are simply not good enough.
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| Quote: Slugger McBatt "Under the old formula, they either went through or had a second chance. Now, one blip in the game the week before will see them out. Just makes the reward for finishing top more debatable, particularly as they have to stoke the fires with club call.'"
why does there need to be some huge ridiculous advantage to finishing top?
you get a LLS (the worth of which is debatable granted) a home playoff tie to begin with AND a second bite at the cherry. Oh and yeah AND you choose your semi final oponents.
If you can't make the grand final with those advantages you're not good enough when the pressure is on top spot or not.
That's more than ehough advantages for a potential championship team. Especially when half the teams that make up the playoffs are knockout from week 1.
As a leeds fan i don't really ask for much more. You know the rules at the start of the season either you produce the goods or you don't.
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| Quote: tb "Only those of us who know nothing about the history of the game. The 'first past the post' was only a brief experiment for 20 odd years. On the other hand, we've used play-offs to decide the champions for the remaining 70-odd years of our history.'"
When has the history of the game counted for anything? I thought Rugby League was impervious to tradition in a constant desire to evolve itself out of a paper bag. A casual understanding of the first 'play off' era was a natural coercion of two separate county leagues, rather than this contrived anti-climax.
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| Quote: RL13 " A casual understanding of the first 'play off' era was a natural coercion of two separate county leagues, rather than this contrived anti-climax.'"
For about three years (I may be exaggerating … but it continued for decades after the end of the two county leagues)
[sizeps: I think you mean consequence
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| Quote: tb "For about three years (I may be exaggerating … but it continued for decades after the end of the two county leagues)
[sizeps
As a top four knock-out not where losers get rewarded with another game at home!!!!
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| Quote: declaration "Primarily I'm talking about football fans who are also interested in other sports. The kind of people the game should be attracting if it really wants to expand.
And no wonder. With more than half the teams qualifying, with little tangible benefit for finishing first rather than second, under a system no-one understands, which produces a load of unbelievably predictable and dull matches, played in front of half empty stadiums, all leading up to the final we all expect. And with a stupid gimmicky choose your own opponent stunt to top it all off.
The playoffs should generate excitement at the business end of a season, but at the moment we can't even get season ticket holders to attend, never mind curious newcomers.
The playoffs need drastically reforming. I suggest the league leaders should qualify for the final automatically, with 4th playing 3rd for the right to contest a semi-final against second.
Yes there would be less games for Sky, but it would at least restore some badly needed credibility.'"
Can't be *rsed to read the rest of yet another whinging topic about the people that run the game and the play-off system that is bad because the poster doesn't understand it, so I'll just read the opening post and reply to that...
Ask how many of your football fans understand the qualification process to the European competitions, and see if that bothers them...
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| Quote: Geekay "As a top four knock-out not where losers get rewarded with another game at home!!!!'"
If I understand correctly, unless there were four different leagues that fed into the knockout comp then there would be little benefit to finishing top?
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| There is no perfect system. You compromise on fairness or excitement. I wouldn't swap the current RL system for the dreary trudge to the top of the Premier League's perennial top four Champions League cartel. Fair enough we could be on for a third straight Leeds-Saints final, but they've done it under a salary cap that is genuinely constraining for a few and that the rest can get close to.
Even the Champions League is cack until the new year. Lots of sensible fans who don't buy into the Sky hyperbole realize this and would admire [iparts[/i of the RL approach.
FWIW my ideal system would be top 7 qualify (ie the top half), to retain interest in the absence of relegation. Top place gets a bye, 2nd thru 7th play-off in three knockout games (2nd, 3rd and 4th getting home advantage). The winners go into the semis with the top placed team. Every game is knockout, only better than average teams qualify and you've got the potential for surprise.
We should embrace the unexpected not view it as a aberration denying the best team their glory. If you don't mind a foregone conclusion and just want to see merit rewarded go watch the Harlem Globetrotters batter the Washington Generals, or Chelsea or Manchester United picking on little clubs like Everton or Aston Villa.
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| Quote: J. Willard Gibbs "If I understand correctly, unless there were four different leagues that fed into the knockout comp then there would be little benefit to finishing top?'"
The benefit for finishing top was that you got a home game versus the 4th team and the s 2nd team was at home to the 3rd team just as it is now but the losers didn't get a second chance.
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| Don't have too many problems with the system apart from the 'lub Call.' Think the biggest problem with it is the possibility of week 3 having two repeat fixtures from week 1 should it be HKR and Hudds who qualify.
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| Quote: saint mully "Don't have too many problems with the system apart from the 'lub Call.' Think the biggest problem with it is the possibility of week 3 having two repeat fixtures from week 1 should it be HKR and Hudds who qualify.'"
Which was exactly the problem with the top 6 system.
Use the NRL system.
There was no crossed wires, only once has a team lower than second won it so why we needed to bother with those overhyped dress rehearsals I dont know. If you go 1v8th 2v8th there's extremely limited chance of repeat fixtures and 1st and 2nd get easier rides, 7th and 8th becomes VERY difficult
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| Quote: Dico "Which was exactly the problem with the top 6 system.
Use the NRL system.
There was no crossed wires, only once has a team lower than second won it so why we needed to bother with those overhyped dress rehearsals I dont know. If you go 1v8th 2v8th there's extremely limited chance of repeat fixtures and 1st and 2nd get easier rides, 7th and 8th becomes VERY difficult'"
If 1st beats 8th, 2nd beats 7th, 3rd beats 6th and 4th beats 5th, then isn't week two 3rd vs 6th and 4th vs 5th again? Which, in SL, is pretty likely that the said teams would win?
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| Huddersfield coach Nathan Brown is hoping to help make history by being involved in Super League's first 'clubcall' this weekend.
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| I find it stange that people are even discussing what moronball followers allegedly "think" on a RL forum
Wierd.
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| Quote: Leaguefan "I find it stange that people are even discussing what moronball followers allegedly "think"
I wouldn't say wierd... I'd say more like weird.
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