not what you said though, you said he's missed so many games but is still 2nd.

Anyway no point arguing, suspect you might be right when you break it down per game.

Just like to say though, stats can be very misleading.

Theres no i in team now take your blue and yellow specks off

He aint a patch on tomkins so stick that on your pipe and smoke it!

I think you mean in. It would be pretty hard to smoke if he just put it on it, right ?

Maybe I am biased. He is our most successful captain and I do like the imagine of him lifting trophy after trophy after trophy. Its' what any supporter would want his captain to lead his team to isn't it?

Maybe the Lance Todd, the man of match in a WCC or the Player of the year in the league leaders team has caused my bias. O'Loughlin ever achieved anything like that?

So, I looked at the stats and you know what, they're very similar. The only difference is kicking, both in general play and for goal at which Sinfield is miles and miles ahead of O'Loughlin.

Everything else is pretty much on a par. Apart from , of course, the individual honours and team success I mentioned in my opening paragraphs.

So, do help me. Give me an eloquent justification for your opinion that O'Loughlin is such a superior player to Sinfield.

The thing I noticed about Sinfield's stats is his meters per carry which is about 5. So that tells me he's more of the playmaking type of 13 whereas O'Loughlin has made almost 3 times as many breaks (in 2 less matches). O'Loughlin also has a better tackles per game average and even more try assists than the 'playmaking 13' Sinfield.

If Leeds didn't have McGuire Sinfield would play 6. He is basically playing SO in a LF position.

Sinfield IMO is a failed half back who has had to move to the forwards due to his lack of pace. He isn't a natural 13.

You would say that though. Myler will be the best 7 in superleague next year. There you go we can all just say stuff.

He failed at stand off in the 2004 Grand Final didn't he?

He's a gifted footballer who can play either position very well. Our team is built around him and he's the fulcrum. Call me silly but building our team around this "failed half back" has reaped some rewards wouldn't you say?

Except that has no basis in fact

Those who dont rate Sinfield as a very good super league quality LF know nothing about rugby league.

But this thread is not really about any of those issues. Its' about the Sl dream team and, domestically, Sinfield is always there or thereabouts as the best 13 in the league.

His domestic success has not translated onto the international stage, I agree but then again over the last twenty years there's about four players who have. Kieran Cunningham is labelled SL's greatest ever player by some but, internationally, he's been as much a failure as Sinfield. I would not say Sinfield has struggled internationally. He's rarely been selected in a number of games in succession at the same position. On the bench, hooker, scrum half loose forward. Either do what we do at leeds and build the team round him or leave him out. I suspect it will be the latter and I suspect Burgess will play 13.

Ellis was always going to be great down under because his game suits their style of play. Massively punishing hits (but a tendency to shoot out of the line), great engine and nothing too flashy with the ball.

I actually think Sinfield would do fine in the NRL and McGuire would struggle as he's not regimented enough but its' a hypothetical point.

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