Out of what I've been to:

Worst Facilities - I'd say Wakefield, but I think that Belle Vue despite its antiquated and shabbyness, has quite a bit of a culture about it. It has the memoirs of where rugby league came from - working class, part-time background.

Similarly, Cas's is just the same but as it is about other sides, I'd have to say that Hull KR's and Salford's are the worst. The good news is that Hull KR have plans to rectify that, whereas Salford's is still very much just a pipe dream.

Worst Pitch - The worst pitch I've seen is probably the JJB, but that's mainly attributed to the fact it has a football team playing on it too.

Worst Fans - It would be wrong to label a minority as the worst fans. All fans have an element of their fanbase which the sport could do without.

Wrong. My point is that Wigan supporters shouldn't be seen as arrogant if they think they should have beaten clubs such as Huddersfield, Wakefield and Castleford this season as Wigan have consistantly finished higher in the table than these clubs year upon year upto 2008, apart from the odd exeption.



Unless you're happy to come across as either jealous/bitter about Wigan and their postive/negative history, then yes.

Unfortunately, our history is where most negetive opinions of Wigan supporters stem from.

Read the topic and posts thoroughly next time.

to be honest Alex BP- the fact that your questioning people's reasons for putting Wigan down is not helping people's opinions - your making yourself look like a bitter, moaning wigan fan - i'm sure you're not, although i've never met you so wouldnt even start commenting on you personally,but the attitude you have taken is one that a lot of fans see as bad about Wigan fans .

Rather than question why some people dont have a high opinion of Wigan fans just accept it rather than take issue with that particular person !.

But it wasn't just Wigan that I was defending.

I was defending clubs such as Wigan, Leeds and Hull KR.

But that seems to have been ignored and a Wigan v smaller clubs row has developed.

Thats because you have chosen to take everything personally.

The idea of this thread was for people to post their own opinions, just because someones opinion isn't the same as yours doesn't make them wrong, infact a lot of what you have posted has probably just made people realise there is some truth in the reason behind their views.

exactly the point i am trying to make

Facilities: Salford
Pitch: Celtic
Fans: Harlequins

I see none of the Wakefield fans are jumping on those who say they have the worst facilities. People are stating, quite correctly, that dislike the fans from Wigan who are arrogant and cocky. They have every right to say that if that is their opinion. Just because you don't believe you are (although you have shown you are with this post), doesn't mean you can tell people they are wrong



Your history is where your fans get their arrogance and cockiness from. You'll find most fans dislike Wigan fans because you still believe you have the divine right to say you're bigger than everyone else



May I suggest you read the original point of the thread, which is to express opinions on the worst facilities, pitch and fans.

Who owns yours..........havent you just flogged your lease.

I wasn't on about ours was I.

Facilities: Wakey, Cas, Bradford, Hull KR all need to invest in their grounds

Pitch: Don't pay attention to pitches. Ours has improved a lot this year. Hopefully it will stay in good nick all year

Fans: Never had much respect for Wire fans. Generally a bit thick and thuggish. Hull FC have had their share of idiots over the years. Quite a few knuckle draggers at Cas as well

Facilities- out of super league there is some bad ones but in super league its Wakey or Cas no question.

Pitch- Celtic by the look of it at the saints game.

Fans- Bradford, shocking support, the Catalans fans made more noise at our place. The home support is even worse for a so called big club, how many glory fans must they have?