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Toulouse's gutsy come from behind win at Featherstone 24-26 (five tries to four) after trailing 18-8 at half time, has secured Toulouse second place.

With Leigh likely to lose at Toronto, York is likely to secure third place and Leigh fourth place.

Given Toulouse's gaining of home ground advantage (except against Toronto), and their strong performances throughout the season, it is likely that the final to decide promotion will be between Toronto and Toulouse. Although Toronto has a very strong team, with Ricky Leutele and Chase Stanley normally in the centres, and a strong pack of forwards, Toulouse probably has the superior spine. The final could even come down to goal kicking, with Toulouse full back Mark Kheirallah normally accurate, though not always.

So while Toronto is a deserved favourite for promotion at the end of this season, one cannot completely write off the chances of Toulouse scoring an upset and getting promotion.

In my opinion, though the promotion of Toulouse to Super League would be a wonderful thing for rugby league in France, I worry that if Toulouse wins the final then the backers of Toronto may get tired of supporting a perennially failed effort in the crunch game. That would doom the exciting plans for expansion in North America. So my preference is for Toronto to win the promotion this year and Toulouse to win next year. I am also praying that London will beat Wakefield next Sunday and stays in Super League. If this scenario pans out we will have a fantastic international Super League competition in 2021.

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Quote: JEAN CAPDOUZE "Toulouse's gutsy come from behind win at Featherstone 24-26 (five tries to four) after trailing 18-8 at half time, has secured Toulouse second place.

With Leigh likely to lose at Toronto, York is likely to secure third place and Leigh fourth place.

Given Toulouse's gaining of home ground advantage (except against Toronto), and their strong performances throughout the season, it is likely that the final to decide promotion will be between Toronto and Toulouse. Although Toronto has a very strong team, with Ricky Leutele and Chase Stanley normally in the centres, and a strong pack of forwards, Toulouse probably has the superior spine. The final could even come down to goal kicking, with Toulouse full back Mark Kheirallah normally accurate, though not always.

So while Toronto is a deserved favourite for promotion at the end of this season, one cannot completely write off the chances of Toulouse scoring an upset and getting promotion.

In my opinion, though the promotion of Toulouse to Super League would be a wonderful thing for rugby league in France, I worry that if Toulouse wins the final then the backers of Toronto may get tired of supporting a perennially failed effort in the crunch game. That would doom the exciting plans for expansion in North America. So my preference is for Toronto to win the promotion this year and Toulouse to win next year. I am also praying that London will beat Wakefield next Sunday and stays in Super League. If this scenario pans out we will have a fantastic international Super League competition in 2021.'"



Look Cappy,cut the crap.We just want Toronto to be promoted and get rid of them, and let SL deal with the expansion project. Seeing that you're an Aussie, what is the relevance of your post anyway? icon_rolleyes.gif

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Well said Cokey.

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Any highlights from Toronto’s easy win today?

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Quote: Ruune Rebellion "Any highlights from Toronto’s easy win today?'"


No Jean,I've been busy watching the cc final again. icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: Cokey "No Jean,I've been busy watching the cc final again.

Ok cheers anyway Roy

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Quote: Cokey "No Jean,I've been busy watching the cc final again.
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Quote: Ruune Rebellion "Any highlights from Toronto’s easy win today?'"


What was the score in that game?

Oh yes, now I have found it. Toronto 46 - Leigh 12.. Toronto scored eight tries to Leigh's two. The French outside back Hakim Miloudi was one of the try scorers for Toronto.

As I had predicted, Toronto is first, Toulouse is second, York is third and Leigh is fourth. Featherstone is fifth.

As you would expect given the table, Toronto have the best points for and against differential of 654, and Toulouse is second with 431.

Everything points to a final playoff for promotion between between Toronto and Toulouse, though nothing is guaranteed.

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Sounds like Toulouse were very fortunate. Fevs best player Cameron king stetchered off in the first half..then fev had a good try ruled out in the last minute.

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Onwards and upwards - LTID:



Quote: Ruune Rebellion "Any highlights from Toronto’s easy win today?'"


No, Toronto can’t afford to screen the games anymore- all bodes well for the future eh icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: ColD "No, Toronto can’t afford to screen the games anymore- all bodes well for the future eh
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Toronto will not join SL.

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Quote: spegs "Toronto will not join SL.'"


If they win the GF,Why not?

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Pollsters doing Excellent job - say recent polls.:



Obviously fines haven’t worked at Fev - would the next step be a 2 point deduction?

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Quote: Highlander "Obviously fines haven’t worked at Fev - would the next step be a 2 point deduction?'"


A couple of hours, no minutes would suffice, alone with Mark Campbell would sort the numpties out. Sadly there are also a few who cannot see anything wrong with the behaviour of said numpties......

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